This is such an annoying discussion at this point. The “let’s keep doing what we’ve always done because obviously that’s working” folks never really engage with any arguments. They just ignore what people say and keep attacking the same strawmen over and over.
“Both metallica and the strokes have a guitar player”
“Oh so you’re saying that metallica and the strokes are the same? That’s so ridiculous, they don’t even have the same number of members, you idiot.”
It’s so tiresome and pointless. And quite upsetting as well, because in attacking some of the strawmen, the “stay the course, this is going well” folks sometimes say some really heinous thing, bordering on full on genocide denial, or even worse, acknowledging the genocide but essentially saying “not my problem”. It’s really upsetting to read such things.
I guess that’s at the core of it actually. It’s one group of people that look at the millions of people that American imperialism has killed, and the way both parties have toed the exact same line on imperialism specifically, and consider this absolutely unacceptable. And on the other side you have people looking at this and thinking “yeah but what about my problems, the parties are different there”. It’s a fundamental difference in values, and there’s no amount of convincing that either side can do to bridge that gap.
Anyway, here’s my favorite Hannah Arendt quote, because I refuse to accept that we cannot somehow learn, eventually, from the holocaust:
In their moral justification, the argument of the lesser evil has played a prominent role. If you are confronted with two evils, the argument runs, it is your duty to opt for the lesser one, whereas it is irresponsible to refuse to choose altogether. Its weakness has always been that those who choose the lesser evil forget quickly that they chose evil.
I am not sure the group that thinks American Imperialism has killed millions is significant in American politics. Perhaps here on Lemmy there are quite a few people who rightly say this, but the vast majority of Americans reject this thought outright.
I view it as one group who is fine with the status quo so much they will fight to keep it that way. They are resistant to change and feel that the strong hierarchal orders are good and that people have their place and should stay there. They are a strong minority.
You have another group of people who don’t really care and kind of just go where the wind takes them. They don’t have particularly strong political beliefs. They are mostly self serving but generally good natured. These people are the majority.
You have the last group of people who are against the status quo for a myriad of reasons. They embrace change and are resistant to hierarchal structures. They are not really organized as they are incredibly diverse in their reasonings and are generally a weak minority.
I think the annoying part comes from the lack of critical thought and introspection. There are so many good ways to solve our problems we have never even thought of. There are solutions to moving forward and we absolutely have to find them.
As we’re seeing with Ed Sheeran, people are under the misapprehension that not taking a “side” is the more comfortable position. The reality that ‘silence is still speech’ hasn’t yet sunk in for them.
I think there should be more focus on what politicians stand to represent, their history, their associations, and what they voted for.
Policy changes are extremely important as well, but it gotten more and more complicated over time. Sounds good on paper, but turns out to be a market grab for corpos.
Then you have people like Charlie Crist… The I will be whatever party that will make me money. He was a republican and now he’s a democrat. Right
In countries like the US, that approach would work if we actually had campaign reforms and a concerted effort to break the ‘two-party’ system (I use quotes because one hand of the corpo-fascist state hits us just a little less hard than the other and at least says “I’m sorry, baby” afterwards).
Rank choice voting, uncapping the House of Representatives, NO primaries at all (WYSIWYG politics), etc,. It would go a long way.
A lot of that would help. I would say the thing I yearn for is to be able to remove politicians from office in a emergency vote reform. Someone like Prick Scott committing the biggest medicare fraud should be voted on life imprisonment instead of a seat in senate.
I mean at present. The majority of democratic seat holders are no different than the majority Republican politicians.
Most are owned by aipac and billionaires. One is just more sneaky about it and puts on a progressive mask while undermining progress at every opportunity.
To me it just means we have to clean up the Dem party. It’s full of reds.
I like these threads because they make it easy to see who to block.
you should block me if you haven’t already, my posts are for cool people only
Cool people block you?
the less insufferable assholes responding to me the better as far as i’m concerned
Did you just graduate kindergarten? What a dogshit comeback
Leave an insult on the floor and the owner will be by to pick it up shortly.
Vote Democrats if there is no progressive alternative. But always primary progressives in Democratic primaries.
Issue with that tactic is that it’s actively being used to justify Chuck Schumer’s “for every big city liberal we alienate, we will gain 3 to 4 hillbillies from the rural area” schtick, which is costing democrats elections and us (the world) the real progressive movement.
Just tell Schumer his shtick cost everyone two presidential elections.
The time to argue and complain about candidates is during the primaries. When a candidate for a party has been chosen you vote with the party. Out system is the way it is and no amount of protest votes are going to fix it. Do not vote 3rd party in the general election.
Im going to write in Hillary
Lemmy users in socialism.ml actually define Putin as progressive (I wish I was joking)
Well, to be fair, they’re a bunch of idiots. So… no need to take them any more serious than you would MAGA.
I love how you can just make shit up and libs eat it like slop, as long as its about someone they’re preconditioned to hate.
This is the way, at least until we get rid of First Past the Post and other Ordinal voting systems.
Score, STAR, or Approval would all make primaries unnecessary, and also reward people for honestly voting their preferences. Which is sort of why there’s so much pushback against them.
Ending FPTP probably won’t necessarily solve the problem, as the German example shows.
Germany still uses Ordinal voting.
But yes, you also have about 20% of any given population that will openly choose the greatest evil.
But since the people benefitting from the current setup are the ones who’ll have to agree to change it and create the new system, there is absolutely no hope of ever peacefully ending the current status quo.
You missed the “vote progressive in the primaries” part
Except for the fact that pretty much every single progressive in Congress or on the ballot is in favor of some form of electoral reform.
But like you said, obviously nothing at all can be done, you know, besides voting for them.
I think you need to put more weight on their qualifier word “peacefully”.
Do you have enough guns to fight the US military? No? Well neither do I.
Which is why there are steps that must be followed. And right now those are peaceful protest and voting. Making sure everyone votes.
The time for violence is likely coming, but it has to be after the election. After Trump blatantly ignores the will of the people.
Gentlemen may cry, “Peace, peace” - but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
The violence in the street is already happening. The violence in the courtrooms is already happening. The violence in universities is already happening. The violence in the legislative chambers is already happening. The violence at the homes of resistant politicians is already happening. Roll over, if you must.
You sweet summer child, you think you know what violence is. You most certainly do not.
No revolution has ever succeeded without the aid of the military. If the left kicks of the violent resistance too early, the military will not side with us, and in fact will join in the hunting us down part of things.
That’s why we have to follow specific steps. First is peaceful protest. Second is voting.
Third is violence. And if we get steps one and two right, we might not have our homes bombed as we sleep.
And the people who actually control the party, decide what legislation gets a vote, and punish members who go against leadership will never allow it to happen, nor will they allow any of those progressive politicians to succeed them in their positions of power. Progressives are allowed on the party bcs they help keep the left flank in line, but they will never be allowed to hold any real power. That might threaten the Wall St donation gravy train, and the Third Way Foundation assholes who have a death grip on the power structures of the party will kill everyone on Earth before they give up that money.
Ah, defeatism. And basically telling other people to not even try.
I’d expect nothing less from .ml
Tankies won’t but the effort into voting but want to be perceived as serious to actually be marching in the streets.
They have some real criticism of the dem establishment, but no real perspective that they are surrendering office to fascism.
Somehow not defeatism: We have to vote for the democrats, dont you dare think a better world is possible
Did you vote for progressives in the primaries? Actually I don’t care, the primaries are over, you fuck with the dick you’ve got, not the one you wish you had.
Lemmy in my experience has been like this.
“Hey Republican did evil thing”
Well DID YOU KNOOOOOW DEMOCRAT ALSO BAD??!
It’s so weird because it makes me defend the Democrats and I hate the Democrats.
Swap Democrat and Republican and that’s been my experience. No criticism may be brought up about Democrats without “yeah well Republicans are evil so you must hate (insert minority here)” without even asking who I voted for in any election. It’s instant worst assumption when all I want is a politician who isn’t bought and paid for.
For me this has been on reddit and YT comments.
Isn’t it always pre-election? Every two years and all.
Meanwhile, the reason that the claim is so prevalent is because it is so true.
bOtH sIdEs are anti-union, anti-labor, pro-corporate, and pro-billionaire.
US workers have lost income and standard of living for over FIFTY YEARS. You will hear this for the rest of your life, because it’s an indisputable fact.
The USA needs a labor party, the Democrats are no labor party.
You are depicted in this meme, and you don’t seem to see it.
you are in a dystopian hell and you think you can vote your way out of it.
You are entirely missing the point.
You hear or see “Lesser Evil” and you think they’re saying “Good.”
Is the issue literacy? Is it stubbornness? Plain ol’ propaganda to destabilize the US?
propaganda to destablise the US
i think the issue is you still think your warmongering, nazi country still has a hope at not being evil.
That’s an impressively inaccurate read of what I wrote. Why are you wasting time working miracles in interpreting text when you could use your talents elsewhere?
Funny to accuse the other of strawmanning in a comment section under the most ridiculous caricature of what a liberal would like the leftist critique of their favorite color of genociders to be.
I know reading comprehension is abysmal in the US and online, but Jesus christ. If youre going to use fallacies as a rhetorical shield, then at least use them correctly. They’re not arguing against a strawman, they are making a conclusion on your beliefs, based on what you have written.
I think you need to read up on what a “conclusion” is, and how you draw one. Its pretty reasonable to assume, from what you wrote, that you think the United States, as a political entity, can be saved. The adjectives are clearly the author indicating their own personal opinion about the United States.
If you wanted to accuse the other of some sort of rhetorical fuckery, then the obvious one is changing the subject.But if we’re doing fallacies then this whole argument is built on the back of a false dilemma.
thanks, i was a little confused as to what they were trying to say my strawman was but decided i couldnt be bothered. glad someone can make my points for me :)
I think the issue is you see the democrats as “lesser” evil, despite them being gleeful participants in genocide, climate change, “tough-on-crime”-prison-slavery, deportation, police states and everything else. The only two practical differences are that Democrats are more competent administrators of empire and they’re less rude about bombing brown people.
Which is more dangerous to detonate, a grenade or a nuclear bomb?
Which is hotter, 60C or 100C?
It’s like you’re bending over backwards to refuse that the words “more” and “less” exist in English?
I really do need to get around to blocking lemmy.ml, apparently.
Whats more dangerous, a nuclear bomb or a nuclear bomb that’s kind of rude about doing the same stuff as the other one?
Its like youre bending over backwards to avoid discussing the fact that the two parties are the same, because this gross caricature where there is a measurable difference is easier for you to engage with morally and intellectually.
I live in a state with partially open primaries that goes red 90% of the time. In order to maximize the effectiveness of my vote and thereby maximize my voice, I registered as an independent and generally request a Republican primary ballot.
I then have to sift through each list of candidates looking for someone who doesn’t mention Trump and has a stated policy goal that isn’t evil. There’s usually one candidate who mentions their focus as being healthcare or education. This is a fairly laborious process and there are plenty of races where the least-worst option is still a horrible person. However, given the winner of the Republican primary has a 90% chance of winning the general AND voter turnout for the primary is generally under 10%, I know that this is effective.
Anyway, doing all this because it is the most logical course of action where I live and then seeing people cry about only agreeing with 87% of one candidate’s policy goals always annoys the hell out of me.
Same strategy in Utah. 100% logical and effective.
i live in california. back when we had limited/closed primaries (before the joke that’s the top two runoff now) everyone would register democrat because republicans didn’t have a chance in hell, and they wanted a say in which democrat got in elected.
Doing gods work. Thank you soldier.
Not in near as great a volume as during the presidential years, but there’s the usual drum beat of ‘Dems bad so don’t bother cause it’s all useless’ type posts. Might be that I see less though having defederated the triad when I switched from Lemmy to Piefed.
That’s everyone here.
Everyone knows that in a democracy the only two options are voting and firebombing Walmart. You can’t do both, and anyone who suggests otherwise is blue MAGA.
God that’s become such a hot term here lately. Particularly among the type of people who will go into repeating the same phrase over and over when they get shut down in an argument.
Saved. This should not be as applicable to lemmy as it is.
Save this one too: “I can’t even trust you to vote and/or be a poll worker, why would I trust you in a violent revolution?”
“because you can lob biological weapons at the enemy and i am very light”
Oh wow, that’s good
Cowb in shambles.
Rent free
Ex-CUSE me, but HAVE you firebombed a Walmart? No? Then shut up!
(I’m kidding, I’m kidding!!! And I’m also stealing the image as well…) :)
guy who thinks revolution when firebombing walmart
I mean the Revolution can have a little firebombing walmart.
As a treat.
People on lemmy be like “your strategy of doing literally anything else pales in comparison to mine of voting for genocidal geriatrics” and then they go on and lose the election anyway
People join and support groups that take real action. Take the houthis for example. MLs by comparison can’t even fill out a ballot.
Good argument, I will now join ISIS.
In the real world there’s plenty of marxist-leninist organisations in the west that do take action. One might wonder why these groups are cracked down on viciously as soon as they get any traction, while this “just vote for progressives” idealism has been allowed to flourish for decades now.
One might wonder why these groups are cracked down on viciously as soon as they get any traction,
Ohh no there opposition to reform. Let me also discourage other forms even tho its easy to do more than one thing
“MLs don’t do anything!”
Actually they do. “Well they don’t do enough!”
Because whenever an ML group gets political traction, it gets targeted harshly by the state
“Defeatist! Russian propagandist”The fact that you are allowed to run your mouth about your little idealistic strategy of “changing the democrats from the inside”, while any actual vector of progress gets shut down, should give you a hint on how viable your idea is. Either that or, you know, look at the many many many many times you’ve tried this so far, to no success.
You people keep acting as if you’re being told to do nothing, when all you’re told is this one thing that you keep doing does not work. I suppose acting as if you’re told to do nothing is easier than actually engaging with the people disagreeing with you
while any actual vector of progress gets shut down,
Support them anyway.
Is taking an evening to vote in primary and election day too hard for you yet expect others to velive your serious about higher level activism?
Doesn’t help if people read “Dems bad” as “don’t bother”.
Isn’t it possible to ask some Dems to do better and maybe get rid of the geriatrics? It’s hard to include all that when pointing out to someone why “vote blue no matter who” or “vote left straight down the ballot” are not the best choices.
After all… We have “vote blue no matter who” and “vote left straight down the ballot” a few times resulting in Dems controlling the exec and leg branches which didn’t turn out so hot for a vast majority of folks.
The purpose of Vote Blue No Matter Who is just that.
Dems suck, don’t get me wrong, but there is no path to anything good through the GOP, and 3rd parties are essentially a waste.
The general idea is basically, push the Dems to a super majority for a few cycles so the GOP dies off, then split the Dems into a new Conservative (current Dems) and proper Progressive (Probably Dem Socs) parties.
Preach
Oh wow, sounds like a great plan, wonder why it has never panned out over the many decades of this talk.
Couldn’t possibly be because a sizable portion of the “left” is actively working against it…could it???
✊↔️🖐️💦
Probably not, since Obama had a supermajority and yet your promised land never came to be. All we got was drone-strikes on Afghan wedding-venues, slave-trade in Libya, bailouts for stockbrokers, more deportations than under Bush and the slow deterioration of conditions that fascilitated Trumps first election victory.
Somehow this is the lefts fault, a movement that is both powerful enough to hamstring the democrats from… implementing health care? And also not powerful enough to actually listen to.Personally I think its the fault of that dastardly parlamentarian and [insert designated villain of the week democrat]!
You know this talk of yours has been around since the 1800’s, right? All it has amounted to is running Democrats that would make Reagan look like a pinko.
Isn’t it possible to ask some Dems to do better and maybe get rid of the geriatrics?
AFAIK, not anymore. The time for that was a month ago.
Isn’t it possible to ask some Dems to do better and maybe get rid of the geriatrics?
Yes, right up until the primary is over.
After that, it’s time to hold your nose and vote for the (D) anyway as a matter of harm reduction.
geriatrics
Sure, get rid of the progressive ones as well as the centrist/establishment ones and then wonder why it doesn’t help when you still have the younger progressive ones and younger centrist/establishment ones.
why “vote blue no matter who” or “vote left straight down the ballot” are not the best choices.
The time to get who you want is BEFORE the general election. When it comes to the general election, a centrist/establishment Dem is still better than a fascist. So in the general, “vote blue no matter who”, but in the PRIMARY is where you support a candidate - not just with your vote, but money if you can, canvassing if you can, online discussion if you can.
people do not want to hear this but if you want to have legitimate change in 2032 it’s time to start working toward it. 2028 is not going to be the year you want.
politics is slow as fuck.
Bingo.
That’s why you vote in the democratic primaries, to do that thing you just said. Then you prevent republicans from getting power in the general. It’s not hard, but leftists would have to actually vote instead of just bitching online. You wonder why democrats don’t cater to leftists? Leftists don’t fuckin vote.
In twenty years Dems have only held a supermajority for like two months and they passed the ACA. Fuck outta here with your bullshit.
the aca was a Republican handout to insurance companies.
Do that after you have power. Not during an election, in ways which amplify information warfare. Like, just activate a single strategic brain cell for like three months every 4 years.
Republicans have figured this out. How long will it take progressives?
Nah, this is the standard pattern. The usual election information warfare strategy simply doesn’t scale as well for hundreds of races because it can’t be orchestrated from a top down structure, so they don’t put in the same effort. It’s meant to rely on useful idiots, teenagers, malcontents and cynics amplifying a single narrative on the Internet, which just doesn’t work when the issues are sufficiently local.
It’s honestly amazing people still fall for this though, but the evidence that it works is that they keep doing it, and gestures broadly. And also that they don’t really bother for the midterms.
I think lumping all criticism of Dems and claiming them as bots is part of why you folks keep losing, but I’m not a professional election loser so I guess my opinion is that of a laymen. Take it as you will.
Who are “You folks”?
Sane folks reading, you gotta ask yourself if what I said is unreasonable. Kind of odd that democrats go so hard against anyone a half pace to the left while forgiving anything to the right.
Being happy and excited about a corporate dem being unseated for a dsa while pointing out the flaw of always capitulating is met with a volley of downvotes, why?
As for the people in the comments, I’m just going to hope you’re getting paid.
Who lumped anything all into one? A young account who calls others cowards for not starting a violent uprising doesn’t suggest serious discussion material.
It’s not complicated, primaries to make progress, generals you deal with to at least reduce harm.
The nice to your face corporate pedof… I mean democrats.
Hello nine day old account encouraging people not to vote democratic!
Hi sorry I don’t want to vote for corporate pedo supporters like you :(
I’m not the one acting like I get a paycheck from the dnc while lobbing bot accusations. But by god I hope you are getting paid, otherwise yeesh. Embarrassing.
You can do better than that MAGAt.
Well, if you’re not gonna vote, then your political opinions ain’t really worth listening to, are they? I mean, not like you could even be bothered to do the bare minimum political speech.
Try reading a bit more before you speak lil man.
Bahahaha I was planning on lurking, but calling someone “lil man” in an attempt to be condescending gives off such a tiny dog syndrome vibe I just had to comment.
Nah, non-voters ain’t worth listening to.
We voted in a DSA mayor here. You’re a simp for pedos and can’t be half assed to read 3 sentences before making false statements. Intellect.
Just sit back and keep being a bitch, papa will vote for humans and get us back on track lil man.
Oh. Did you vote?
Ps before you cry at me my city just voted in a DSA mayor under 75 years of age so all your just vote for the old guard pedos bs is whack AND wrong.
As is so often the case, the details matter. How blue is your city? Did your DSA candidate run as a third party, or as a Democrat after winning the democratic primary?
You added this reply less than two minutes after your original. I’d recommend looking for the “edit” button next time. It’s more polite than expecting people to keep up with the fact that you replied to yourself before anyone else even had a chance to reply to you.
Good on them, but when the long shot nobody had heard of on a national stage is barely an afterthought telling people to not vote for the less evil blue person running 49/49 with the very evil red person is helping the red person.
Oh look the blue person we got in goes and votes with the red person to bomb my grandparents. Oh you’re so right…
PRIVILEGE! WHAT YOU HAVE AND DON’T REALIZE IS THE PRIVILEGE OF LETTING OTHER PEOPLE FEEL SOME ADDITIONAL PAIN BECAUSE OPTION TWO IS A LITTLE LESS PAIN FOR YOU PERSONALLY.
Fuck you and fuck your family too. I hope they DO NOT have a dem vote to bomb them and then have a movie about how sad it made them killing your “SAVAGE GROTESQUE” family like I did. You still probably wouldn’t be capable of empathy so it would just be cruel to them.
And no I’m not helping republicans by calling out Dems for what they are. Which is Republicans.
You are helping the republicans by voting for their controlled oposition.
Finally, here your straw man dies again; I implore everyone to vote local, and vote anything but red or blue. DSA is going strong in a lot of cities, get involved and over throw the cabal of pedos that shell monkey is totally okay with if they wear blue and say nice things about equality.
Turns out when you vote for that blue person, you’re electing them into office where they will go ahead and help the very evil red person on your behalf. Isn’t representative democracy grand?
Noooo you dont get it! We have to vote for them, otherwise the other genociders will win! And they’re kind of rude!! Besides, now is not the time to critique the party, as we all know, if we don’t point out the obvious flaws with our candidate, then the opponents aren’t allowed to do it either!
Look you can critique the party after the election (not really, because that’s when we have to rally around them and support them) not at the time of the primaries though, that’s when you have to advocate for your specific candidate only (and if we ratfuck them, then that’s just too bad) and only in a way where you dont critique the party. You also cant do it before elections. And obviously not during them. There’s maybe a two-week window where you can critique the democrats, as long as you are polite about it.The best way to push the party left is to shut up and vote for it no matter what. As you can see, this has been an incredibly succesful strategy. Remember when we didnt get universal healthcare or when we didnt codify Roe v. Wade? Remember when we invaded Libya or when we decided to destroy ACORN? Or the patriot act, boy that was swell. Hey remember Jimmy Carter? He was so nice when he destroyed Cambodia. Or Clinton, good ol’ Bill! The saxophone guy who did NAFTA and bombed Yugoslavia so he could have sex with his wife again - in between his visits to Epstein island.
And what about Joe Biden?? The most progressive president since JFK! What with all the Union busting, the complete murder of MeToo, increased police budgets, arbitrary declaration of COVID being over (despite thousands still dying), his unrepentant support for Israel, all the fracking… This thing is just going so well, don’t mess it up now! One of these days we might even have a president who deports fewer people than the previous administration.Look… I know we’re doing genocide and only paying lip-service to taking climate change seriously, but if you ever do anything but shut up and vote for Norm Respectable (previously worked at McKinsey and before that had an internship at Guantanamo Bay) then you’ll never get a partial reduction in interests on student loans given out to Pell Grant recipients who have operated volunteer institutions for two years in poor neighborhoods. The genocide will continue no matter what though.
We got to love symmetrists
I’ve also noticed a significant increase in “the right did something awful and the left’s response wasn’t good enough, how could the left do that, the left is terrible, I’m not going to support them” type posts and replies.
Purity tests are bullshit, especially when the things that precipitated the “insufficient” response is literally fascism
Macklemore said he’d never vote for Biden in one of his songs.
Let’s talk about that.
Dude isn’t a fucking saint, he’s a dumbass. Free Palestine, though.
> mad at macklemore for not being willing to vote for genocide Joe
> free Palestine, though“Coexist” I mutter serenely as I shoot up a mosque.
A lot of DSA/progressives won the primaries because taking AIPAC money is now generally considered toxic. Also, there’s not currently a national election contest featuring blue-flavored genocide enablers. It’s almost like people learned something from the experience last election. Just running as “not as evil” isn’t really an effective electoral strategy or something.
There’s a big fucking difference between expressing this kind of sentiment before the primaries, when it has the possible outcome of changing the nominee from a neoliberal to a progressive or leftist, and expressing it after the primaries, when the only possible outcome is discouraging turnout for Democrats generally and thus helping the pro-genocide fascists.
By all means, yell from the hilltops about AIPAC-tained candidates etc. during the primary. That’s a good thing! But once the primary is over, it’s time to STFU about it if the nominee isn’t your preferred candidate because at that point there is no longer any better alternative.
yeah, i’m pretty sure if the democrat in a statesian race is taking AIPAC money, the republican is taking more. it’s like oil money.
Local lefties can make their own choices. The Fettermans and Sinemas have clearly shown themselves to be consistent enemies of progress.
You are literally doing the meme though. 2 terrible examples, but plenty of others are nothing like that.
Local lefties can make their own choices.
Can you read?
I… don’t understand how that changes anything?
You’re still in a way telling people not to vote dem even though we are past primaries.
I prescribed no decision, as it is their own choice. See how that works?
Explicit statements bad implicit statements good, got it.
Oh that relieves you of being the meme in question, okay.
This. Between the mid terms in a couple of months and the next primary I absolutely welcome it. We will call establishment Dems names, shit on their neoliberal policies, mock their strongly worded letters, search for their backbone, push everything from the big issues to our pet issues, engage with OUR candidates, and generally be a thorn in the side of the institution. Viva la fuck them guys.
But for the sake of all that is unholy, please vote for harm reduction once the primary is locked.
They know what they’re doing grue.
Which makes sense, but this is all still predicated on side B complying with rules.
The biggest worry I have is that this is pushing the animal of fascism into a corner, as must happen. The rapid buildup of the DoJ into a paramilitary organization at the beginning of Trumps turn indicates to me that he has no plans on relinquishing power, mid-terms be damned.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
This is a quote from a liberal btw. Best to be prepared for the inevitable.
To me, we on the left reinforce this idea that bith sides are the same when we sink to their level. We don’t need fake videos or out of context clips of him to prove he’s a terrible person. It’s there for all to see in his unfiltered words and actions. Same with the slop about Musk that does the rounds. We don’t need fake stories to spread the word. It’s self-evident in his actual, real life behaviour, and only serves to weaken the truth.
Yeah, the problem is that when people act bad they’re allowed to keep their roles and continue doing harm. Republican ideology is the act of doing harm but we’re just not supposed to ever hold democrats accountable or replace them with anything better.
Jamille Bouie gave a (brief) deep dive into the similarities and differences between the two parties (here on YouTube).
Both parties have a history of being influenced by business interests over public interests (especially after Reagan, and lobbyists and special interest groups were legally given access to elected officials).
However, the Republican party is openly and deliberately trying to unmake elections in the US at federal and state levels to gain a permanent majority all three branches of government, to turn the US into a one-party autocracy. Meanwhile, the Republican led government is borrowing money at an accelerated rate and funneling it into the pockets of plutocrats and conglomerate megacorporations through government contracts and subsidies.
(And once those plutocrats are done financializing the US into ruin, they will move on to the rest of the developed world, which they can alread easily afford to do. We’re seeing signs of it already.)
