It’s weird because the people who make these kinds of jokes are effectively saying they think animal abuse and slaughter is funny. Thank you for letting everyone else know you are not a safe person to be around.
can’t spell slaughter without laughter
Man, I hate white tailed deer. People think they’re precious until they run straight into your car thinking they can just pass through it.
Or until you’re explained just how much damage they’re doing to forest ecosystems by overbreeding and destroying native plant life. They’re becoming a locust-level issue.
Oh aye, I know of that, but the average USA citizen doesn’t care about the environment worth a damn to do anything about it. So it’s easier to tell them you’ll likely wreck into a deer more often because of their over population and utter stupidity.
Overbreeding. They’re doing what they do, what they’re supposed to do. It’s not their fault all their predators and 9/10ths of their ecosystem have been removed.
It’s not really about fault at this point, it’s about solving the issue and bringing the ecosystem back into equilibrium. Like any pest, it’s natural to put ire towards the group of organisms actively causing something to deteriorate, and thus sympathy goes away. This makes eliminating them much much easier for locals.
we the pests dawg
God, what a load of shit this argument is. Animals have been seen killing for fun and sport as well as vengeance at times. All animals without their regulatory controls of predators will absolutely wreck their ecology. We don’t breed incredibly fast. Without our modern society and tools we’d be lower on the chain as well. If another species achieved sapience like us they’d do the same thing too. The only complaint you can make is the number of people who seem complacent in just fucking things up as opposed to being better. Hardly makes us a pest.
i didnt present an argument at all. i just made a general claim.
im not arguing about this with you.
You can say the same about people. They problem does not change just because its not human.
I don’t see which part of my comment implies that I don’t feel that way about humanity, nor how it’s relevant. Humanity was able to coexist just fine for thousands of years. These issues were caused by capital.
We where destroying ecosystems long before the invention of money.
Release the wolves! Chuck Fenrir or Garmr if you have to, fuck them deer.
Or jump across the trail your riding and almost give you a heart attack.
The only good thing about them is that they are not moose.
They are extremely overpopulated in much of the US, in part because most of the natural predators capable of keeping their numbers down have been killed off and there has been a huge artificial increase in field/forest interfaces where they thrive. Huge amounts of starving deer abound and descend on diminishing native vegetation with a voracious appetite while generally ignoring weird invasive foreign plants. Many native plant gardeners are vexed by their tendency to gnaw native plants, trees and shrubs to death unless those are caged in and some got a taste for venison out of revenge haha.
Would be cool if we could re-introduce red wolves and the like to keep a lid on the deer without like half of the predators ending up shot or run over
Same thing with kangaroos in Australia, though even I still find it a little too weird given they’re a national symbol and all.
The alternative is that they overpopulate, overgraze and proceed to starve to death. Which is no good for anyone.
Panthers have ventured up into Arizona and New Mexico not too long ago. Panthers could take out a few deer. And some hikers.
The west has maintained more of the larger, predators certainly. Not as much here in the east. Coyotes are invading and sort of acting in the now unoccupied larger land predator niche but given their small size they still don’t really take out deer in any serious quantity.
Fry up a steak with butter, salt and pepper. Jerky is also pretty good, and if you have it ground it makes a solid chili.
butter, salt and pepper
The only Holy Trinity I’ll ever recognize.
Deer ARE beautiful creatures, but as a person who lives in the north I can absolutely confirm they are some of the dumbest fucking animals on the planet. They have exactly 1 reaction to any stimuli. Flight. Run like hell or ??die?? In my area they panic, run straight at headlights and cars screaming past.
Really THINK about that. A robin, a crow, or an ant has more thinking power in an pea-sized sized brain.
They’re not going to be splitting the atom any time soon. Don’t feel bad for them, just admire the one standing out in the field for its beauty and watch the F out on a country road.Venison is delicious. Sorry not sorry. If they weren’t hunted we’d be drowning in them.
Yeah, but… Why do we base a creature’s right to exist on their intelligence as perceived by us? We have no idea what headlights look like to them or how stressful it is being a keystone prey species. I certainly wouldn’t want to walk a mile in their shoes. Personally they’re a massive nuisance and garden pest, but I understand we brought our* houses to them and not the other way around, so I don’t hold it against them.
They’re not going to be splitting the atom any time soon.
Oh, well actually that I do hold against them. Nevermind.
Kind of true by how we treat humans as well, actually. Even the most progressive person seems to cheer for a Darwin Award from a MAGA member.
Intelligence is repeatedly the one exception to the eugenics is bad rule, I know best about that.
Its no different then how we handle invasive species.
Best lasagna you’ll ever have is 75% ground venison mixed 25% with the fattiest ground beef you can get. Same for a super dense and heavy meatloaf.
Well, yes, but elk.
Sounds phenomenal.
To your last sentence, if we hadn’t killed their predators we wouldn’t have that problem.
And venison salami is the best.
To your point, I think if their natural predators were still around we’d also have a lot fewer children around.
Venison salami IS delicious.
To your point, I think if their natural predators were still around we’d also have a lot fewer children around.
Sounds like a win-win situation to me
Don’t let your kids wander into the wilderness unattended and they won’t get preyed upon.
You’re silly, I like you. Their natural predators will gladly figure out how to open the sliding door on your back porch to explore.
Yeah, but all the inattentive parents can now successfully pass on their genes and social values… Which is why we’re seeing a huge age verification push online right now. If those people or their children got mauled or eaten at higher rates then we wouldn’t have this problem.
I’m here to represent the Wolf In Your Neighborhood Movement.
With enough funds raised, we can deliver a pack of wild ass wolves to a neighborhood of your choosing. It might be yours, it might be that of a neighboring community.
Our wolves are bred to the highest standards and are promised to be the most lean, fast, and aggressive wolves you can find anywhere. They’re real assholes.
They solve many problems such as:
People who jog in the road Irritating pets left outside/unsupervised Irritating children left outside/unsupervised Too many deer Humans that lack common sense Humans that cannot run fast Humans that are taking out their trash Porch pirates Caribbean Pirates Door to door solicitations Religious folks
If you’re willing to donate money to our cause, we can have a pack of wolves into the neighborhood of your choosing in under 30 days.
in favor but only if you primarily, ahem, “help” billionaire neighborhoods.
Going back to Grimm’s times.
Boar salami is delicious as well!
In my state, hogs are such a problem that you can charter a helicopter to shoot them with a minigun.
The no hunting limit will come in handy when the famine starts.
What a fantastic discussion this is my god I love the agreeableness of it all.
Never had venison salami, want to try now.
No no, they have two responses, flight and freeze.
If they only had flight they’d be somewhat more predictable. As it is, you can’t trust them to even move when needed.
And I agree that venison is fucking delicious. Love me some venison mince ragu, get rosemary in the meat. Mmm.
I suppose that’s fair, freeze wasn’t dramatic enough for me to consider that.
It can feel a bit dramatic when they’re there literally a deer in your headlights, and you’re on a dark, icy road in the backwoods, doing 80kph.
And the motherfucker won’t move.
The only thing to do is to try to dodge them from whichever way they’re coming from.
And sometimes, it’s not a 60kg deer, but a 500kg moose. And them mofos are almost as stupid, twice as stubborn and also have an aggressive mode. (Albeit it’s kinda rare.)
Part of me wants the USA to have a venison industry so it’s commonly available in grocery stores, off the efforts of hunters.
But, that industry would commit itself to forever existence and growth. If someone could be trusted to let that practice stop when deer population balances, or even work to ensure people replace farmed meat consumption with hunted, then it could be beneficial.
But…yeah, that’s a big “if”.
I’d be happy if the DNR just let people in the butcher businesses handle the road kills, IF they agree to donate the meat to local food pantries.
But yeah- fuck capitalism either way.Where I am CWD is starting to become an issue. So much so that they enforce mandatory testing during opening weekend. Prion diseases are terrifying and have put a damper on the gifting of meat sticks and backstrap sadly.
Oof, hadn’t considered that.
and watch the F out on a country road.
This is the internet. You don’t have to censor yourself. You can say fuck here.
fuck here
What if they want to censor themselves? Don’t they have the right to do that without this stupid f’ing comment being commented all the time.
This is the internet you don’t have to comment on things you don’t like, you can move along.
stupid fucking comment
FTFY
You’re silly
This is the internet you don’t have to comment on things you don’t like, you can move along.
Ha, I get it! You’re complaining about their complaint by doing the exact same thing as they are, ignoring your very own advice!
I believe because it is absurd
Same as eating any other meat, with barely masked hypocrisy
It is probably more honest. You have to hunt, clean and prepare the animal. It’s not in an abstract form in a styrofoam container.
Plus a bullet is better then being eaten butthole first by a bear.
Deer eats my tomatoes. My tomatoes are now part of deer. I eat deer, thereby reclaiming my tomatoes. Honour restored.
Shit on your tomato plants and the deer becomes tomatoes
You joke, but if we can value the lives of one lifeform over another, why should that have to stop with animals?
Just because it’s harder to anthropomorphize tomato plants, that makes it okay to selectively breed them so their children taste better.
I think of this a lot too. Just because it can’t think does not make its life should just mean any less. It does not want to die even if it can’t conceptualize death, life or anything. But the fact that we can means we are the ones fucking up.
Vegans like to call this a bad faith distraction, but when I was a vegan I went all in. No lettuce, no root vegetables, I only ate fruits (botanically speaking, seed-bearing bodies). The plants want you to eat those, and they’re freely given.
Well, they want you to spread the seeds. Only a few of them require eating in that process.
It’s not required, but it does add decent fertilizer so I’m sure it’s preferable.
That’s called fruitarianism
It takes more plants to fatten up animals than if you just eat plants directly.
I’ve tried grazing before, but I couldn’t digest the grass.
Industrial agriculture doesn’t rely on naturally occurring grass, corn and soybeans are also used, and feed is grown for animals using similar methods as would be used growing food for human consumption. Relying on more sustainable methods would still require a drastic reduction in meat consumption.
Also, the point I was responding to was, “What about the poor tomato plants?” If we’re still pretending to do the “plants rights activist” thing, then I don’t see why grass would be more acceptable than tomato plants.
Note that in the US, animals are also allowed to be fed feces as a cost-cutting measure, in spite the health risks
It’s not about pretending to be a plant’s rights activist, it’s about showing the hypocrisy of where the valuing life cutoff is (i.e. cute animals).
This is the second time someone’s said this to me recently, which is weird because of how obviously wrong it is. How is it hypocrisy if I’m making a choice that also reduces suffering to plants? It’s just complete nonsense, the argument is either uninformed or bad faith, so it doesn’t demonstrate anything.
You would understand if you still lived in reality.
Well, keep in mind, the recent popular trend of vegan diets has caused a spike in certain mono crops, which have caused a mass death of insects and natural pollinators, which has massive knock-on effects, killing off other wild animals and habitats.
To support the ever-growing demand of the more inefficient vegan alternatives, we have inadvertently created a situation where we are now over taxing our farmland and natural resources to the point that they can no longer sustain themselves or naturally replenish the necessary floor and fauna needed to keep the habitats in working order which is just started causing issues all over the place.
Mono cropping is never good but at least up till recently a lot of the issues were somewhat manageable. Still very damaging but somewhat manageable. The massive Spike in vegetarian and vegan diets with point younger generations has pushed us well over the tipping point.
It would still even be somewhat okay if it was just a rise in a more traditional vegetarian-focused diet like say you see commonly in India. But you can really only push mono, cropping, soy and other things so far before you just start ruining shit.
You would be correct if not for the fact that consuming animal protein is waaaaaaay less farmland-efficient and more environmentally damaging than consuming plant-based protein… unless you’re eating meat from sustainably-grown animals. Including carefully-managed hunting of wild animals. Factory-farmed meat, however, is very much not that. Most of the feed that goes to them is ALSO a mono-crop.
People really can’t stop making fun of vegans can they?
why would they stop? vegans aren’t special, they are just people. People make fun of people.
it would be wrong NOT to make fun of them, that would be exclusion.
The original poster was the one trying to guilt trip people in the first place. A bit of light humor is a reasonable response.
Humans like to reinforce group membership and receive validation by targeting out-groups.
Flat earthers exist just like this, solely for validation of each other for being so stupid.
Yes exactly, same with vegans
Yeah Flat Earthers is definitely one, though it also depends on a touch of mental illness with the delusions regarding the government and everyone else conspiring to deceive.
Mostly this dweeb. They are nature fetishists or some shit.
Right, like other animals aren’t killing the shit out of each other all the fucking time‽ Or they think they’re better than nature.
It’s really only vegans that make veganism their whole personality. Same with anything else that becomes all a person ever talks about.
A good example of this.
I’ve met way more people who made hating vegans their whole personality than I have vegans who mention their lifestyle outside of the context of being offered something non-vegan.
And how many have we seen make bacon their whole personality? Or Ron Swanson wannabees who think eating a steak is gender affirming care. No, this is a ridiculous argument. Every group of people is going to have self-righteous idiots.
I have met way more people who were annoying vegans, and I’ve never met anyone whose personality was “vegan hater” or “bacon”.
Subjective experiences are crazy!
Subjective experiences are crazy! They’re also subject to interpretation as filtered through lived experience. How many non-self righteous vegans have you met that you didn’t even clock as vegan because they didn’t mention it. You’ll never know!
And also I don’t believe you on the second point because most of us came here from reddit where ‘le narwhal bacons at midnight.’ “vegan hating” and “bacon” were the entire personality of r/all for nearly a decade.
I’m not sure what your point is. You just listed off examples of my statement as though it changes the fact that it’s the self righteous vegans who are getting the hate.
Imagine being surrounded by billions of people who are doing something you believe is not only wrong, but is morally abhorent… Just actually imagine it for a second. If it helps i can send you some footage of chicks being sent down a conveyor belt to be ground up alive as a byproduct of the egg industry… for starters
dont have to imagine it, im a catholic
Not interested.
I see… if you want, I can give you tips on how to avoid conversations about topics you’d rather remain willfully ignorant about.
I’m not willfully ignorant. I’ve seen it in person.
Humane euthanasia isn’t necessarily pretty. The most humane way to kill a pet fish or small reptile is a hard stomp. The blades that kill the male chicks are moving so fast the chick is killed instantly.
It’s gruesome, yes, but it’s quick and painless.
Yes, voluntary human euthanasia is directly comparable to factory farming chickens and sending 350 million baby chicks into an industrial meat grinder as a byproduct… and I am sure all 350 million of those deaths are quick and painless. What could possibly go wrong on a regular basis sending live animals down a conveyor belt into a mechanical death machine? And I’m certain the people involved in the process treat these animals they are slaughtering literally all day long-- as living, sentient beings capable of suffering and not as objects moving down a conveyor belt into an industrial meat grinder. I am also sure that all of the footage that exists (despite laws preventing people from taking such footage) which would directly contradict this narrative–is fake.
Go move your soap box somewhere else
so you arent against meat, just factory farms?
i mean, it was a fair question. edit - the original question
“Precious”
For people that don’t live with them or have to deal with their problems.
They wreck all your plantings. Whatever ornamental garden you might have apparently tastes better than any natural plants, they will destroy them. You want a garden to grow your own food? Need a 8 foot fence around it, and that probably still isn’t enough. They jump in and wreck everything. They shit parasites and drop ticks everywhere. Dogs are idiots and eat deer shit, picking up parasites. Trees or saplings are just perfect to rub heads or horns on, they destroy the bark and kill the plant…again apparently because your plants are better to wreck than anything out in the woods.
Yeah, I think deer are pretty cute, but fuck them too. Goddamn pests.
i read somewhere that there was an area with an overpopulation of deer and they nearly turned this beautiful forest into a completely barren desert. then wolves were introduced into the area and things got better
Game of telephone with that one, worse with every telling. No deer turned anyplace into a desert. Just the reintroduction of wolves improved the overall health of an ecosystem. I believe it was Yellowstone.
i was definitely being hyperbolic my bad
You might be thinking of the Meese on Isle Royale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolves_and_moose_on_Isle_Royale
…and if not it’s still a fun read.
Any thing in excess is bad. Too many deer is bad, too many wolves is bad.
The same reason is why the rise in vegan alternative demand has increased the amount of monocrops such as soy. Which has actually caused more animal deaths though the knock on effects of those crops then cattle ranching causes.
Insect death, natural pollinators, and loss of habitat because of it are major problems with the recent massive surge in demand for vegan alternatives on mass scales.
You have to have balance. Too much of anything is bad, and not enough is also bad. Spread out the demand and keep natural resources in check by not over taxing them and not letting them run out of control.
With ghee (& optional touch of garam masala), balsamic vinegar, cayenne, pink salt.
Maybe some fried garlic in a dollop of kimchi & mayo.
Keep their numbers in control, so their food supply does not get over-run, so they keep on living strong as a species. Keep your health. Good all around, on the whole, so long as not doing it stupidly.
I rather eat that peaceful non-domestic wild animal, than the industry pigs down in the supermarkets cooler. Then we can talk about how fucked up the meat industri is. Nothing wrong with spending time and connecting with the nature, both the hard parts and romantic parts. Makes you more human.
And more the natural animal a human really is.
Pest animals such as deer are about the most ethical source of protein you can get in my country
I’m all for eating feral animals whenever possible
Humboldt squid in California are even more ethical. Invasive, fecund, voracious, ferocious, short lived.
And delicious, I have heard.
What country are you from? Theres a few deer near me in the UK, and ive never even considered they could be pests. They look excellent to me.
I cant eat them though, because I used to work in a meat factory and whenever we had venison to process it stank like fuck. Not sure if it does or if their supplier was awful quality, but its put me off forever.
I think that in Australia they’re considered an invasive species, at least some species, as they’re not native, breed fast, and devastate local ecosystems to the point they’re seen as pests.
In Europe they’re just part of the local fauna, and population numbers are well under control.
KiwiStrayan
Deer, rabbit, pig, goat, etc. are all pests and should be eradicated
So I may as well be eating them
In the UK their population needs to be controlled otherwise they will be a pest.
If left unchecked they will devastate tree populations.
If I recall correctly there was an estate who didn’t keep up with their deer culling and the army got called in with helicopters.
I’d never be able to be the one to pull the metaphorical or physical trigger when it comes to eating any animal. I love animals way too much. But damn some meats are just so good that it made it difficult to go fully vegetarian/vegan.
That’s why I only ate chicken at some point.
Do what I do and have someone else kill it.
If it helps vegan diets have caused more animal deaths then cattle ranching.
Mono cropping increases due to the rise in demand for vegan alternatives have caused some of the largest wide scale death of insects and natural pollinators of any farming practices. Which in turn is killing wild life all over the place.
The primary crops to support a vegan diet have also driectly caused some of the largest loss of habits and death to wild life due to how demanding on the land and tempamental they are.
Vegan diets literally are murder.
It is impossible to avoid killing animals on mass scales to support any form of human population no matter what form of diet you have.
You either raise and kill them directly in controlled fashions that minimize the damage to the environment. Or you destroy the land and wild habitats both indirectly and driectly though mass mono cropping farms to support extremely inefficient alterative crops on enough of a scale to allow for wide spread consumption.
In a bit of a weird twist a pescatarian diet and a more normal vegetarian diet that still consumed animal by products. Cause less harm to animal life then any other.
Avoiding “murder” is impossible. Its just factually not how nature works. But minimization is very possible. And reducing your demand on monocrops like soy saves more animals then any other option you can make.
Congrats on posting the most wrong thing I have read today.
Also, are you a writer for Landman?
This is just rage bait, no?
On soy usage: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/soybean-production-and-use
according to your source, some 85% of the entire global crop is pressed for oil for human use, and about 90% of what livestock is fed is just the waste product from the oil production.
Yes, through processing it, it has a double use as animal feed and vegetable oil/for biofuel. Don’t know which is currently the most profitable one or main use. Used the source more to give context for direct use as human food (or the vegan focus the prior post had), which is kinda negligible.
85% of the global crop is put into oil presses.
Yeah, it’s not like factory farming does mono cropping like it’s a sport.
You can select what non-animal stuff you eat, but you can’t select what animals are fed. Unless there is some seal that limits what they can be fed or you really know the farmer. That’s a prime example for optimizing for the cheapest thing you can get that still delivers what you need.
Meat is a luxury good. It always was.
With 372,853,699Mg of soy production in 2021 and 8 billion world population, we could already give 127g of soy to every human every day. That’s like half a liter of soy milk and 100g tofu.
Maybe we should all just starve to death.
If meat is a luxury good, that means even the poorest of people live lives of luxury.
So, kinda nice in an oblivious sort of way
It is impossible to avoid killing animals on mass scales to support any form of human population no matter what form of diet you have.
That isn’t true. It’s just expensive so we’re not doing it.
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