• RedFrank24@piefed.social
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    My dad has a pretty straightforward approach to Americans these days: They’re the enemy. Every single adult US Citizen is the enemy, no matter what side of the political spectrum. Americans have the power, they have their precious 2nd Amendment to get rid of Trump, but choose not to use it. By not doing anything, they’re complicit.

    Tiny bit overboard if you ask me, but I can definitely understand calling for disassociation with the US, pulling all critical systems away from US companies. I would also suggest threatening to stop respecting all US copyrights just as a middle finger. It’s now completely legal to steal any intellectual property from an American company. Distribute official cracks for Adobe Creative Suite, why not?

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      Your dad’s approach is bullshit. I don’t think that Russian, Chinese, Israeli, etc. citizens are the enemy, but their governments are. As an American, I see my own government as an enemy.

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      The 2nd Amendment is a joke, realistically. Like, it’s cool having guns, but we live in a surveillance state. All the people that are hardcore “I’d die for my country” are usually pretty nationalist, so they mostly support the surveillance state. We have all the bread and circuses, too. But as that changes, maybe the public might do something?

      I don’t know. I’m shocked at how he’s just been allowed to do what he’s doing. But I don’t know what I as an individual can do when there’s not an ounce of class consciousness in America, other than slowly educate people. That also assumes anyone will find the time to organize outside of their 40-60 hour work weeks. Or that certain outside forces won’t intervene. Maybe it’s not as much common knowledge outside the US, but subversion tactics by the 3 letter agencies are in practice on basically everything that challenges the status quo, from the KKK to any real left-wing movements.

      Please do stop respecting our copyright system, though. It’s absolutely laughable what corporations get away with here.

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        The 2nd amendment was drafted at a time when there were no standing armies. While cannons existed, most battles were decided by individual soldiers with their personal weapons.

        In the modern world, you still need individual soldiers with individual weapons to hold terrain, but it’s very difficult to advance or take terrain from a modern military without artillery and bombs. So, a militia could maybe ensure that an attacking force was never able to fully settle and control a region (i.e. what the Taliban managed vs the western forces in Afghanistan) it can’t really conquer much if opposed by a real army with real army toys.

        The real joke of the 2nd amendment is that it was obviously intended to be about citizen militias used to fight off opposing armies, but has been transformed into people’s right to own whatever they want for “self defence”, which 90% of the time actually means suicide, road rage, domestic violence, accidental shootings, mass shootings, gang warfare, police shootings, armed robberies, etc.

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          Yeah the best that could maybe be accomplished with the 2nd amendment would be the creation of anti-federal militia. Basically ganking federal agents such as ICE, FBI, and border patrol when they popup as needed, but even that would be questionable at best against the National guard.

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            The other thing that has changed since the 1700s is communications technology. In 2025 in theory it’s possible for normal people to instantly communicate in a way that the government can’t monitor. But, realistically, the way most people communicate could easily be intercepted in real time by the government, so it would be difficult to organize any kind of resistance against the government.

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      Hating America with no regard for those trapped here is so hot right now. Your dad’s opinion is very MAGA-esque by the bye.

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      Exactly, they’ve shown with OpenAI and Meta that they have no regard for IP law if it’s done by the “in group” so why should anybody else care?

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      I can’t blame your dad, but it would take someone having a lot of skill and knowledge that the average person doesn’t have to get rid of him; there were two attempts in 2024, so his security is beefed up and likely not going to make the same mistakes again. Not to mention the fact that it would make him a martyr with his rabid base like it did with Charlie Kirk. On top of that, there would be jd Vance taking over, which is better bc he doesn’t have the backing that Trump has, but he’s still an asshole too and they have a propaganda machine behind them that’s extremely effective at riling up the base.

      The issues here are 100% systemic and unfortunately require either congress to get their shit together or tearing the whole system down, which would require a lot of people banding together. Hopefully democracy stays intact for the midterms and we’re able to change some things as a result. At least if it doesn’t, it should be the catalyst for approaching things nondemocratically on a mass scale.

      Until then, it’s worth mentioning that everyone can boycott American products and push for their governments to enact sanctions. If the economy tanks under Trump, it’s probably a lot easier to get his base to turn on him.

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      Is he gonna pay for my travel expenses to get to the other side of the country? And second amendment. I think my dad has some black powder rifles around here somewhere.

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      I appreciate holding everyone accountable. The bit about the 2nd amendment is very, very stupid if he literally believes it. But that said, we are doing far far less than we could to resist.

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        please do go off about what we should be doing more while we expand our mutual aid group that lifts 500 people out of homelessness every year. i’ll be busy doing something real while you whinge.

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          If you are doing gods work, good for you. Do you think that describes Americans at large? You really went out of your way to take that personally.

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      This is great. I love the us vs them mentality. Really drives us away from facing our problems.

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        This idea that we can just walk off and shoot the president Willy nilly is so absurdly childish

        I agree with the rest of his post generally though. I’m already barely scraping by so maybe tanking the entire thing will do something and make things improve more quickly. I’m also hoping that NYC succeeds and people bring that elsewhere in the country

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      The way I see it is that the majority of the us population enabled an obvious paedophile and russian stooge to be president. But not just the once though, oh no. They did it twice. FUCKING TWICE.
      They also had 4 years in-between to sort the obese imbecile out and imprison him for his blatant and obvious treachery and many other crimes…but did fuck all.

      Also running up to the second time the orange cunt actually told everyone he was going down the dictator route and they still either voted for it, or enabled it by not voting at all.

      There is no coming back from that, ever.

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          Nope.
          I didn’t say the majority of usa people voted for him. I said the majority enabled him.

          This was by either the direct action of voting for the child rapist, or direct action by not voting/protest voting.
          If you add up the people who voted for him with the people who did fuck all to stop him by not voting, or protest voting, then you get a majority of people who enabled this paedo dictator.

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      I’m curious where your dad lives. I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but America’s such a dominant force in the world politically and economically that it’s hard to avoid America and Americans.

      If America is the enemy, does your dad refuse to deal with the enemy? Does he avoid all American products? Refuse to deal with any service offered by an American company? Refuse to speak to Americans? In some countries where the economy is so closely intertwined with the US one, that would be really hard. But, maybe there are countries where you can actually treat the US as an enemy country and fully cut the US out of your life completely.

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      I’m not quite there yet but my default position with each individual now is that they aren’t trustworthy.

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      Sorry you have such a smallminded father, it’s tough listening to the abject ignorance sometimes :(