I’ve learned you do the same thing with tankies as you do MAGAts if they start to argue.
Give me a break.
Libs support as many dictators as anybody else.
And when libs attack some “dictator”, it’s just to put their own dictator in there.
I don’t think “tankies” voted for trump tbf. More so just abstained.
I am more mad at tiktok teens. They basically mass-advertised trump, and after elections there was a trend of calling ICE on your non-american neighbors.
Abstaining was still a +1 for fascism, though. Like skipping the vote in 1933 German elections saying, “all sides same lol”
Though yes I agree there were many factions who helped enable the present fascist to go first past the post.
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries was a vote for fascism. We tried to warn you he wasn’t the guy for the job. 🤷♂️
Trump already killed more children than Obama and Biden combined over 12 years with his cuts to USAID, WHO, and Paris Climate Accords alone, leaving aside the 40% excess covid deaths peer reviewed scientific studies indicate from his disastrous covid pandemic response but keep telling yourself this false equivalence lie.
Say really quick: can you confirm to me that you agree Xi and Putin are at least if not more so corrupt, psychopathic, and/or evil?
Tankies are so weird. I’m sure some of them are true believers, but I get the feeling most of them just want to watch the western world burn and kinda don’t care how it happens.
Well, and then there’s the fact that posts like this always get swarmed by users from .ml and other similar instances (around the time that the eastern hemisphere wakes up) with the message “both sides bad”
It seems like a lot of them honestly think that if a liar says something, it must be a lie. They realized that our government lies, and immediately flipped everything they thought they knew to the opposite of what they thought it was.
“The US, which suppresses its own citizens, said that Russia, China, and North Korea suppress their own citizens? That must mean they’re awesome! Ignore personal accounts from people who live or escaped from there, if the US says it’s bad, it must be good, no question!”
Like, yeah, both sides are bad. Suppressing your citizens is bad. We need to be rising up as citizens across the world to take the power back from all dictatorial governments everywhere, not arguing about which one is the worst as if that makes the others better.
I’m sure there’s also a population of tankies that don’t understand truly what they are saying and are just vaguely repeating talking points from their favorite podcaster/streamer.
It would certainly explain why every argument with a tankie fits into 1 of about 6 of the same arguments with slightly different flavor.
Wayyyyyy too many young-adults tune into Hasan and believe he makes sense as he panders to his twitch chat for profit. I’m more and more convinced that this is Russo/China infiltration attempting to wedge-drive the left and distort reality. There are people on here who will complain about US imperialism on the daily but then turn a complete blind eye to Chinese or Russian atrocities conveniently. One can only conclude they’re spreading the kool-aid, or chugging it.
That’s definitely the case with my ex. He used to parrot the “Russia had to invade Ukraine because NATO! It was self defence!” and I’m pretty sure he was just parroting whatever he heard on Joe Rogan and the other far right rabbit holes that led him to.
I’m sure there’s also a population of tankies that don’t understand truly what they are saying and are just vaguely repeating talking points from their favorite podcaster/streamer.
I fee like some of them are neurodivergent and don’t realise it. I was listening to an interview of a former neo-Nazi and he mentioned many of those who get sucked in by the far-right are very likely to be undiagnosed autistic. I imagine the same happening with the far-left tankie circles, given the childish statements they constantly make and the perpetual online presence.
This is not an attack on neurodivergent folks by the way, and sorry if my comment sounds like I rub anyone the wrong way, but it is quite common for any extremist movements to try to recruit vulnerable people in some capacity, either those who are emotionally or mentally vulnerable, or both.
yes, only libs are the enlightened one.
Well, when you categorize everyone on the planet who isn’t an ML as a liberal, that cuts down on the options.
anarchists are liberals anyways
Exactly my point. If you categorize the vast majority of people as liberals, any given subset of people is fairly likely to be entirely contained within that majority.
It’s like they didn’t even bother trying to grasp what you said
Depending on the time of the day and mood, they call anyone fascists instead.
in the current system most active political people are liberals, from the MAGAts to wokechuds to anraKKKidies
I mean, I am more on the anarchistic/libertarian side of communism and certainly no ML nut even I think that most self proclaimed anarchists are cosplaying libs. Where I live there are two kinds of anarchists, the ones that just take drugs instead of doing any organising and the ones that actually organise and form alliances with generally likeminded groups. Sadly the second kind is vastly outnumbered by the first.
You’ve stumbled upon a dichotomy that exists in every ideology: those who have the skills, resources, and will to organize, and those who don’t. Most MLs don’t organize either, nor most neoliberals, or monarchists, or any other group. Organizing is difficult and time-consuming. An awful lot of people in this late capitalist hellscape have their hands full just trying to survive.
because the first kind is real anarchism i.e. armchair resistance which does not threaten the state or the capitalist system
I’m with them on the US at least, it has had way too much power to just trample anyone it feels like. Obviously not worth all the effects from what Trump has done but…
I struggle to understand how the collapse of the United States would do anything but make life worse for literally everyone on the planet for decades if not longer.
You want to make things better? Change the system from within slowly. You want to accidentally make things much much worse? Burn a system down and watch what emerges be horrible beyond what you could imagine.
I sort of agree with you but the chance for that is over. I can’t come up with a single way to change anything slowly at this point. We’ve had 46 years of pillaging the working class and now we’re about to get nuked by an illegal IPO during the biggest bubble we’ve ever seen. Please help me understand how we’ll have the option to change anything once Palantir rolls out the robot dogs next year.
When was the last time a system remotely this bad was actually redeemed slowly? The Mongols were defeated by disease, storms, and violence; the Nazis were defeated by extreme violence; the Japanese Empire was defeated by extreme violence; the French monarchy and Napoleon were defeated by extreme violence; the Russian monarchy was defeated by extreme violence.
Things get worse before they get better with a revolution, but they can get better. That isn’t to say that we should decline to reduce harm inside the current system, but it seems naive to expect the current system to stop being terrible. Harm reduction is a temporary measure.
I think more what I meant was, I prefer none of this have happened, but when trump and his fellow cult members choose to do something insane, I’m pretty happy to see the rest of the world cutting us out of their decision making so this insanity is seen as unacceptable.
“Tear it all down” is for weak minded imbeciles who get frustrated trying to confront issues and think of practical resolutions.
I find “tear it all down” people hilarious. Like… yea, ok, we’ll tear it all down. And who’s gonna rebuild after? You and your keyboard?
revolutionaries will do it, just like the bolsheviks did.
The Bolsheviks relied on existing structures, functionaries and specialists because they HAD to. Nothing else was possible, they existed in the real world in the midst of a civil war, not some childish fantasy.
Trotsky aggressively recruited Tsarist military officers, many of which served without really aligning with Bolshevism.
And just a few other facts to add: world war, civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence, dependemce on inherited infrastructure and harsh repression. That’s what you want for the US? Because real people, the ones not playing make believe on the internet, do not.
I never denied that revolutionaries in the US shouldnt utilize already existing state apparatus, do you even understand what collapsing means?
Change requires sacrifices, but american left thinks americans need to babysat into revolution, america is already inflicting civil war, famine, coercion, mass violence and harsh repression on many countries.
you should study history instead of bullshit. only thing you got right in your profile is wannabe
I am more aware about history than avg american lib whose ideology is shaped by pedophile billionaire owned media.
hilarious to say this as your entire political position is to vote every 4 years and slowly see the people moving closer towards fascism and still saying “we will do it slowly!!”
I vote more often than that and if more people did, society would be more aligned with that they want. But most don’t, because stupid fucking morons like yourself convince them it doesn’t matter.
Voting does matter
Voting democrats however dont
Its hilarious how you think US does even one bit of good to the world
Collapse of tsarist russia made soviet union which was much better for the world. Collapse of USA will do much much better things for rest of humanity
coming from a liberal? what a joke lmao
Like when German communists helped the Nazis and worked against the social democrats, because reasons.
But to be fair: Some tankie cried to me that the social democrats deserved that. And the Jews. And the Gypsies. And Poland.
What about when the libs worked with the nazis govt for decades?
It’s hilarious that people still imagine libs to be some force for good.
The KPD strat of declaring the SDP “social fascists” and refusing all cooperation was certainly a move. Maybe they shouldn’t have waited until they were both in camps to work together.
Nazis were social democrats as well
Not to mention who hired friekorps to murder revolutionaries?
It’s not like the communists were the ones trying to coup the government to begin with…
Nobody also expected the Freikorps would evolve into Nazis.
guess who else couped the german government and what the social democrats did about it
He was arrested though? The Social Democrats was also the only party who voted against the Enabling Act that give him absolute power.
guess who else couped the german government
So is this an admission that the communists at the time were wrong to begin with for trying to coup? Tankies love to be getting self-owned 🤣🤣
communists were absolutely right
the difference between a communist coup and a nazi coup is that communists are good people and nazis are bad people. Hope this helps
We do not take moralist position like “X thing is bad in every context”
“No, no. The other side killing people is bad because they are the other side. We kill but it is my side.”
“No, no. The other side killing people is bad because they are the other side. We kill but it is my side.”
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Saying that is about as stupid and uninformed as it gets.
Please, seriously please, look into actual nazi policies and ask yourself if those policies fit the claim.
Please look at the actions of the nazis. E.g. the Night of the long knives. Or ask if the systematic murders of disabled people, would be something that fits with social Democrats values.
Every historian with a focus on nazi germany disagrees with you.
democratic socialism is moderate wing of fascism
Social Democracy is not the same as democratic socialism. (E.g. germany understands itself as a social democracy but don’t do socialism nor democratic socialism)
The nazi murdered democratic socialists though.
Could you define fascism and socialism, please? For the sake of the argument, as you seem confused over social democracy and democratic socialism.
Why not give your definitions? Why not define liberalism since it’s the topic at hand?
This kind of definitionalism obscures the obvious reality that liberals and nazis collaborated for a long time. Perhaps always.
Except social democrats are not liberals.
Because that guy uses words without knowing their meaning. That is why I want his definition. So he either acknowledge his lack of knowledge or learn or stay silent.
they are the same thing, anything else is cope.
Nope.
Democratic socialism is socialism. So the idea that workers should own the mean of production. But it is Democratic. So the government should be Democratic.
Social democracy is capitalism. But that it should be Democratic and soften the weakness of capitalism by providing social programs.
You see, 1 is capitalism, the other is socialism.
workers owning means of production is inherently democratic, you dont need an additional democratic label for that.
Both of them are capitalism
They pretended to be social democrats to gain support of the mass. In practice they were not social democrats.
“not real social democratism”
Are you seriously implying that it’s a No True Scotsman fallacy to ever exclude anyone from any group? The Nazis didn’t even call themselves socdems, they called themselves socialists. That’s the same system that the PRC says it has right now; are they Nazis? Were the Soviets Nazis?
Very few arguments can be evaluated based on form alone. You have to check for external consistency. The Nazis were not socialists because they did not advocate for worker ownership over the means of production. They were not socdems because they did not advocate for universal public services. They were nationalist because they did advocate for national supremacy and closed (but expanding) borders.
they called themselves national socialists
you are an anarchist, you would definitely think the soviet union was worse than nazis and PRC is fascist.
Anyone who says that the PRC is fascist, is by default not a tankie though
If I call myself a giant, I don’t suddenly and magically grow to be 30’ tall. What people call themselves means nothing.
I was using that to illustrate that that line of thinking was stupid.
Can you describe how they were if that’s your proposition?
Because no, they weren’t social democrats in any meaningful way and even a basic understanding of their economic policy would tell you that.
Nazis were social democrats as well
Derp! What a fucking idiot! Let me guess you really believe Kim Jong has established a Democratic Republic in North Korea and you voted Trump because he said he’d fix the economy?
You’re a moron. You take fascists and fascist populists at their word? You’re a moron.
I dont live in america, not even in the west
secondly kim jong un certainly is working for his people better than many western leaders.
LOL
Planning on moving there soon?
this is the best argument you have? I dont understand the hatred you people have for a country that got its 12-15% population and most industries wiped out by american invasion but still defeat the imperialists and is still standing tall minding their own buisness. If you follow the news, DPRK has made remarkable gains in lifestyle improvements of its people recently and they will continue to grow. Why hate a country that has done nothing wrong ever?
Maybe it’s the constant threats they make against their neighbor to the south.
And they very much do not mind their own business.
Why would you simp for a totalitarian dictatorship? That’s so weird.
It’s one thing to support communism, that has merit, but you’re sitting here trying to make it seem like north korea is something people should admire. It’s a shit hole lead by an absolutely awful family.
They almost never threaten any of their neighbor out of nowhere, instead most of its neighbor which they threaten host US military bases and are themselves extremely hostile towards DPRK and support sanctions. DPRK have already abandoned the goal of reunification.
They obviously mind their own buisness.
I am not simping for anybody. I am just standing with the north korean people in their struggle against imperialism and the Marxist-lenninst revolutionaries who made DPRK a reality. Any system that isnt liberal bourgeosie capitalist democracy is dictatorship for you, north korea is definitely something people should learn from. How a country faced most powerful enemy on earth and withstood the burn of imperialism and continues its resistance till this day while having solidarity with oppressed people across the world. Its better than 70% capitalist countries if you go by even living standards so I dont know how it is a shithole and I dont care what you think about kim family as we arent here for leader worship. You are western chauvinist dirty imperialist.
Long live the korean revolution.
Are we talking about Iran here?
I used to live under a communist regime. Love me some socialism but communism relies on the idea that you’ll replace one group of men with another, and they will just share the wealth and not enrich themselves and become the new oligarchy. Thats just not how humans work. Communist regimes are always misogynistic as well
Lol, dont know what communism was award.
Soviet union was hella progressive on women rights, weird to call them misogyinist
I think you mean specifically “Marxist-Leninist” or “Stalinist” specifically. To some people that’s the same as “communism”, but not to me and I am so pedantic I can’t help myself.
Marxism Leninism is the only true and real form of pathway to communism.
Yeah they marketed it as a shortcut to true communism, but it was just a short cul-de-sac.
Do not read OPs post history unless you want to receive liberal brainworm psychic damage.
It’s like baby’s first anticommunist lemmy agitprop, but somehow wrapped in the stink of a reddit poster. Gross.
Makes sense for a meme this delusional.
I just have people like OP tagged as a lib so I know to ignore and down ote anything they say/post.
.ml
lol
so-called “Anarchists” are only distinguishable from unabashed Neonazis by the weak-ass euphemism “Zionist” instead of “Jew”
OP
Amazing level of analysis. Why am I not surprised he’s a zionist? OP have you considered that you might be wrong?
People here pretend like there’s no link between liberalism and fascism, when OP is a living example.
I don’t know about OP, but just one page of your comment history is so hateful that I hope we never meet irl.
liberal brainworm psychic damage.
LOL, you dudes are fucked up. I don’t even care what his history is, this is a fucking embarrassing statement.
Simp for literal dictatorships harder papi, you’re proving my point XD
Checked the post histories.
Average .ml comment history:
Meanwhile “babies first liberal” here:
ACAB was a liberal position right?
I can tell you’re trying to make some kind of point, but you’ve failed to actually do so.
The guy you’re defending is a Zionist piece of liberal trash. His opinions on police are not relevant. If a reactionary person says ACAB, you’d probably call them a leftist too. Idiot.
Sorry I don’t worship at the altar of murderous authoritarians and kneel down to suck the right color boot, what can I do?
you worship democrats who are capitalist dictator imperialists, you are the real sucker of boot. Some people may simp for dictators (tankies like me dont worship any leader) but you worship a genocidal system, you are the real sucker.
Solid trolling, have a quick meme!
Mfw someone claims to not worship dictators:
Mao was not a dictator.
I don’t usually look at the post history of random people but amen
define “dictators”
Anybody that libs don’t like.
define “sealioning”
owned the lib
