The shooter was in trade school to be an electrician…
And Loomer has a bachelor’s in broadcast journalism, for what that’s worth.
well she’s broadcasting something, that’s for sure.
I mean, no one educated should be on Twitter.
Seriously. Do people not understand ‘don’t feed the trolls’?
“Don’t feed the trolls” sounds great in theory, and for your own personal sanity it makes sense. Unfortunately ignoring people like this doesn’t make them go away though. Instead, the lack of any pushback to their vitriol and lies just pulls in even more people and makes their message stronger.
Also “don’t feed the trolls” was killed by 4chan’s networked harrasment campaigns, and said 4channers wanted to reinterpret that saying as “leave the internet”, “don’t do the thing we harrassed you over”, etc.
exactly,
You can push back.
Just not on their turf.
If you were in Nazi Germany, would you push back in a forum personally set up by Hilter to make you look like provocateur then cut you off? No. That would be stupid, and even worse, validates the platform with your presence.
You go somewhere else. And bring people with you.
Do people not understand ‘don’t feed the trolls’?
No, and broadly we have to stop expecting better of people. It’s in our instincts to latch onto narratives, either for or against them.
Instead our task as the better people should have always been to create better narratives, and since this generation of social media warriors all learned how to craft narratives from like, freeform erotic isekai K-pop furry fanfiction roleplay in private discord channels, I am not holding my breath that we’re going to take the stage anytime soon.
create better narratives
THIS is the fallacy!
Twitter is not a fair forum, it’s an engagement -> profit engine. It does not show posts fairly. The entire premise of it being a tug of war between narratives like some free speech dream is a fat lie.
Even if ‘this generation’ were Mensa narrative makers, that’d feed the troll engine all the better, like how I’ve seen people say they stay on Reddit to ‘fight back.’ The only game to play is to the bottom. The only way out is not to play.
I dunno how to communicate that en masse, but we did it with cigarettes, so it’s not impossible.
The only way out is not to play.
For yourself, yes. If you have realized all of what you said and want a better outcome for yourself, absolutely stop playing, you will have a better life.
But the vast majority of people are not stopping. The vast majority of people are falling deeper down the slippery sides of the pitcher-plant because this is what we are as a species, we are narrative-seekers, that is my point, we cannot escape.
Even if you shut it all off and live your best life, the decisions that some asshole in power makes will still impact you at some point, because he read something someone posted once and it changed the way he looks at the story. We don’t get out. We can buy time, but there is no real escape. I’m sorry.
I mean, I think Twitter is more fragile than you think.
It doesn’t have THAT many participants; statistically, normal people don’t really use it. It’s not that far from losing the public eye and being a self-indulgent (but not publicly influential) zoo kind of like 4chan is.
When I refer to the internet narrative-scape, I include everything. Facebook, Reddit, turthscoial or whatever the right-wing ones are, all the way back here to Lemmy. These are the places where the people growing up to make tomorrow’s decisions have their attitudes and beliefs shaped and reshaped.
I mean, the ones who grow up at least. That seems to be falling out of style.
I think some are less explicitly optimized for political rage-bait though. Facebook is pretty bad, but things like say, Discord or Telegram (popular destinations) are awful in different ways.
Truth Social will always be niche. I know it’s very ‘year of linux’ but I’m convinced Reddit is near its immolation stage. Lemmy and federated social media won’t be ‘influential’ for a long time, they’re in for the long run.
That seems to be falling out of style.
thank you for seeing me
I think George Takei gets a pass. He’s there as a warrior, buddy. (edit ok but not alex cole who is that guy lol, and I forgot that’s George’s bluesky account. I’ll just shut up now. slinks away)
i’m gonna be honest, i give takei a pass because he’s takei. we’ve all gotten to know him parasocially over the years. i can think of a hundred excuses for him, but honestly he just seems like a righteous dude. he doesn’t need an excuse for where he chooses to online, as long as it’s not stormfront or krasnovsocial he’s cool.
Very good points!
Fucking hell this woman, a month ago she was saying he was a traitor and now he is a public hero? Every single day she lowers her humanity bar more to new depths I didn’t know was possible. I am pretty convinced she is just trying to increase her visibility via rage baits.
she has her marching orders from putin, her financier, much like most of the grifters right now.
Learnin’ leads to earnin’
And not a yearnin’ for concernin’ spurnin’
Yeah! Charlie Kirk didn’t go to college, and look how he turned out! Lol.
Pretty sure his last stop was a college
Optional offense but I am not trying to end up like him…
You don’t need plastic surgery or Botox yet…
Ah careful with those assumptions buddy. There’s folks who post here regularly who could be my grandkids, I’m pretty sure.
A healthy, well educated population which feels safe and secure is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
I mean, I know this wasn’t Loomer’s intention, but you don’t have to go to college. It was forced on millenials and so many just wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars and still ended up at a coffee shop. That’s not to say we shouldn’t have a well-educated population, it’s just that college isn’t the only way these days.
Now, for any engineering or similar education, college is a necessity.
On a similar note, for others reading the thread. Keep learning, even if college isn’t an option.
For the love of god, please don’t leave yourselves uneducated. The world is a darker place now that libgen disappeared.
Ah yes, the good old american Maoism.
So basically don‘t go to college, you‘ll get shot anyway? Is that the message they‘re trying to convey?
Didn’t he get shot in college?
He lived by the college campus and died by the college campus.
Right wing grifters have seen great success directly targeting young people, from Ben Shapeepo and Jordan Peterson doing this along side Kirk for years through to people like Steve Bannon targeting WoW players, and the efforts recruiting from 4chan, and this is just what we know about.
They are groomers and indoctrination agents, they are everything we need to fight in society, so let’s not let the current uproar and narrative crafting stop us from protesting and pushing back on these full-grown-ass men with millions of dollars “just hanging out” in our school campuses.
He only went for lunch
Wasn’t he also against free lunches?
Apparently the last one cost his life, which is far from free.And lies.
Sadly, all the education in the world can’t expunge bigotry and racism from most people
Hot take: random citizens should be awarded state-sponsored vacations to random countries every year.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime.”
— Mark Twain
I wouldn’t want to subject the rest of the world to unwilling, closedminded Americans like that though. Americans are already well known to ignorant and obnoxious tourists. I’d say youd have to pay the locals if you want to do this and come out with balanced karma.
I semi-disagree. I think lack of exposure (or exposure to falsehoods and stereotypes) is behind the racism and bigotry of a great many people. If someone is 75 and has been a horrible bigot their entire life, it’s going to take something massive to change that, sure. But if someone is 20 and raised by magas in a small wyoming town, learning all the stuff you don’t learn from magas in a small wyoming town is likely to make a difference, IMO.
Speaking for myself, I can look at a bunch of areas where my biases were challenged effectively and continuously just by exposure to folks from whatever group I was biased about in the workplace or school.
I’m pretty sure that’s the real reason why racists have always been so pro-segregation. It’s pretty tough to convince your kid all the black folks are lazy and stupid if the smartest student is his class is a black kid or he’s got a strong crush on that pretty black girl who sits by him in science lab, or his best friend at school is a black kid.
But it will make them more resistant to it. It will make them mindful. It will make them resistant to bullshit and finally, good citizens.
Have you seen how many Republicans went to law school? Education is ineffective in many people, it just makes them smarter asshats
dont forget some of them got into yale/harvard and then law the way of thier parents money, not but merit like regular plebs, aka nepotism.
My favorite example is Tim Pool. Dumb ass dropped out of elementary school. It was a light-bulb moment for me and helped explain this dumbass backwards “logic”
Is that a joke or can you actually drop out of elementary school in the US?
Sometimes kids get held back.
Other times the kid is so stupid with such incredibly stupid parents that it’s just not worth the tax payer money spent on flavorless square pizza.
Yes Tim Pool dropped out at the age of 14. It’s the reason why his arguments have the strength of wet toilet paper.
he was originally in occupy wallstreet, couldnt grift on the left, but switched to the right the moment Putin started funding him and many other grifters.
