• BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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    So the rest of the quote reveals a kind of sociopathic narcissism in which he argues that empathy doesn’t exist, so instead you just need to passively look down on others.

    The context makes it clear that he does not mean “sympathy” in it’s “i support you” meaning but the “you have my sympathy” - aka “thoughts and prayers” - meaning.

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    This is the kind of simplistic 1-2-3 logic they use all the time to destroy entire concepts like… human empathy. Troglodytes around the world will walk around with this phrase in their back pockets for years. Thanks, dead guy.

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    So according to https://www.etymonline.com/word/empathy the word was coined in 1858 in German. And was coined in English in 1908. So “new age” is 117 years (or less, whenever this was actually said).

    Then, he seems to imply these things (empathy and sympathy) are mutually exclusive… which they are not.

    And the whole point, is to appear intellectual and deep with “and no one can feel what another person feels”… If this was Reddit, this would be pinned, front page of /r/im14andthisisdeep for all time.

    And much like many plots in GoT that went no where… the “lot of damage” is brought up but it didn’t go anywhere. How does it cause damage? What does it damage? What IS the damage? I’ll do you one better, WHO is the damage!

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    As he said, Empathy requires, well…Empathy. the ability to recognize what a person MIGHT be feeling. It’s reading someone, and trying to relate. It doesn’t mean literally reading their mind, and channeling their emotions like a Vulcan Mind Meld.

    On the other hand, Sympathy can simply mean pity, especially to someone like him. He can’t recognize your pain, all he can do is feel superior that he’s not in pain.

    It’s the basic definition of Liberal vs Republican. Liberals (general term, not Neo Liberals) are concerned with society, Republicans are concerned with themselves.

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    I thought the quote was bad, the full version is almost worse.

    We go from “mean” to “mean and stupid”.

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      One semester? Looked like he was only there a couple hours TOPS before-- OH, oh, oh… I got ya.

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    I didn’t know crap about this guy a week ago. I have 2 sons who sort of like this guy but can’t really tell me why. They get pissed off when I ask about him although I’m not putting him down, since I knew nothing about him. Now though, after reading at least 10 articles from left/right/middle/ websites and can positively say that the one shot that killed him was a great fucking shot. No one should die for what they’re saying… but then Hitler said many things too but was not killed.

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      He was in many ways one of the causes of the decline of constructive political discussions. A man who’s income came from having political discussions asking people to prove him wrong and never ceding ground. Debate club disguised as discussion, then filmed and posted to the internet for the masses to see his ideas “win”. There was no evidence on a single issue that could change his mind except his donors telling him to or polling indicating he’s losing support over his stance.

      In many ways it’s reminiscent of old videos in which preachers debate scientists about evolution before the scientists either learned to debate to a crowd or got replaced with science educators.

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    Sympathy means you are practicing concern for others from your own perspective. Usually that means relating to someone through your own similar experiences. For example, when someone loses their job, your remember how you felt when you lost your job or when you felt inadequate or betrayed, or when you faced financial struggles. And you sympathize with them through those shared circumstances. This is a great thing, and you should absolutely do this.

    Empathy means you take someone’s perspective to try to understand how they feel. This is of course, impossible to do perfectly as you are not them. But the point of it to step outside of your own lens and your low personal experiences and get a glimpse of how they feel from their own experiences. This is of particular value when you do not have a comparable experience for what they are going through to pull from. Like a white person in America has never had the experience of being racial profiled by the police. Any attempt to sympathize would be ignorant at best, insulting at worst. Your experience getting pulled over for speeding is not the same as being pulled over for seeming suspicious for having your skin color in a given place and time. Practicing empathy is trying to understand what that must feel like for them from their perspective and given all of the experiences they must have had in their life. Again, this is going to be imperfect, but if services a purpose in making you understand the experiences and world views of others that are different than you.

    That is why the right hatesthe concept of empathy. A) It means that their experience and viewpoint is not objective. B) It means that they are expected to practice seeing others as individuals in whole, not as charactictures and stereotypes. C) It means that they are faced with the realities of bias, bigotry, privilege, and systemic racism that does exist and is experienced by everyone differently. And D) It means that their gut reactions, their inherent feelings of fear, disgust, anger, and hatred at those different to themselves needs to be challenged and seen for the bigotry it is.

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    Empathy isn’t just about feeling, it’s about perspective. Not only do you attempt to understand the feeling, you try to understand the situation the person is in that led to those feelings. Sympathy is acknowledging something bad happened to someone, but that doesn’t mean you personally appreciate the emotions of the other person.

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    Christ on a cracker, the context makes it even worse!

    [30 comments in this is probably not an original comment anymore, but I had to write it out]

    FWIW, I work with children, and I see every day that empathy is a learned skill. Usually learned at the same time they learn socialising with other kids. This person was probably failed by all adults around him in childhood. By the system. But that doesn’t excuse going on social media and whipping the masses into a hateful frenzy.

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    What a great concept to teach boys/young adults who are still developing or struggling with emotional intelligence.

    The world is better without him.