• 1984@lemmy.today
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    Is this irony or something? Use Ai to get closer to god? Its the exact opposite people need to do.

    But who is surprised in this upside down world.

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    Just corporations trying to bring on the apocalypse so they don’t have to pay a little more in taxes.

    Normal stuff

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    I remember the smug internet atheist era that said that Christianity would fade away soon to science… and then slowly but surely many of those same atheists either became Christians or allied themselves with the same vile Christian nationalists who are actively exporting their filth all over the world.

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      and then slowly but surely many of those same atheists either became Christians or allied themselves with the same vile Christian nationalists who are actively exporting their filth all over the world.

      * Cough * Dawkins * Cough *

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      They’re just applying their business tactics to Christianity now. They realized that religion wasn’t going away as fast as they hoped, and have fallen back on the old embrace, extend, extinguish playbook. I doubt they’ve realized the power of religion to drive them certifiably insane during the “embrace” phase.

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      People don’t really change much. They are sort of set in their ways. All the toxic bootlickers back in the day used to constantly insult us for being Christians because being an atheist was the popular thing and the path to power, now the opposite is true so they switched sides. Now they call us nihlistic and corrupters of the western world. They just follow what’s popular. The politicians especially. They are obsessed with power and always appearing like they agree with the masses. They hated religion when it was antiwar, pro acceptance, anticorruption, they love it now that it is militant, right wing, and breeds corruption. The people never changed though. Most people who were Christians 20 years ago have abandoned the religion although ironically they are still very much like Christ. The people who were atheists 20 years ago in large part have embraced it. There is always those few people who stock to their principles. Who believe in truth. Unfortunately the world has changed a lot in 20 years. Our politicians started to bring in millions of immigrants and most people have become single issue voters on the issue of immigration because they see no other way to stop it. They are too foolish to see that the same people who allowed it are the same ones who are pumping billions of not trillions into promoting maga and Christian nationalism.

      Since people have become single issue voters they have seized the opportunity to push all the worst shit in the world. Trump might throw them part of a bone when it comes to immigration but he will also be the president of the most mass survellience in history. He cleaned out the doj and replaced them with loyalists, he openly defies the constitution. He is trying to starve states that aren’t loyal to his regime while also trying to steal their taxes.

      The atheists are somewhat at fault. They used to call people Nazis when they weren’t. They used to call people racist for not wanting unlimited immigration. They became too prideful of their own power. With all the hyperinflation the red states were hurt the worst. They threw protestors from Jan 6 in prison and then called them traitors. From their perspective if you are one who agrees with them, it actually seems perfectly rational because Democrats supported their politicians in doing many of the same things trump does to his enemies. They also would try to force policy with a tiny majority of the vote, like throwing people in prison for many years over relatively meaningless crimes, like modifying a rifle or something. Protesting the liberal government.

      The corporations of course just switch sides the instant that they realized it was going the other way. What trump is doing is far beyond what the Democrats did.

      However in the end, people mostly don’t care about truth. They care about power. Truth dies to the pursuit of power. Language itself is tortured and twisted to try to change reality for those who cannot see it clearly. We have truly become a democracy in this sense. Our state being reduced to a weapon for one minority to oppress others. For one group to oppress truth. Democracy is truly here in the form that our state now reflects the average voter. Someone who hates taking responsibility, someone who can’t see two sides of an issue. Someone in which everything is a means to power, and their only goal is to make other people feel the pain that they feel.

      The greatest irony still is that there are actually people out there that understand how to fix everything, but they are the most hated of all people, because they say what nobody wants to hear. They don’t validate any side nor agree with their extreme positions. They don’t promise people prosperity and growth in their 401k but decades of pain and actually fixing things the right way, the slow and painful and responsible way. Those people will never get power, and so the likely outcome is that our society will both collapse as the Democrats fear, and white people will get replaced like the Nazis fear. The Democrats will lose all of their freedom, to speak and to live who they love by nature, and the Nazis will be undercut by millions of people who can do their job for half the wages. Women will be oppressed by religion, and yet most men will still be alone because they are disgusting. The rich will lose everything and also will die in the greatest shame, knowing that in the end they choose to always pursue power and profits over human dignity and truth.

      There is a bit of sick joy to it in a way. Trump will be remembered in exactly the opposite of the way he wants. His legacy which is what he cares most about will be that he was the one who lied and manipulated people and destroyed freedom, not just in America but around the world. He nearly single handedly destroyed every good thing in the world. Hundreds of years where humanity finally escaped slavery and serfdom and religious brainwashing and most common people had a little bit of a decent life, where most people could be happy most of the time, and technology progressed fast, all gone away by his insatiable appetite for power. In the end he will realize that he is the worst president in human history. By his own choices no less. He might not say it but he will be remember that way. A perfect example of everything that’s wrong with humanity. All the ones who cling to religion now to cherry pick hateful quotes to justify their immortality, will be remembered as so. Humanity will maybe fall. Western civilization might get erased by religious cultures who traffic women into marriages and take over city by city. All the survellience in the world will not change the fact that nobody gives a shit anymore, and so the great crescendo that was the 20th century will flame out like a fire without fuel. Humanity will descend once more into the darkness, and everything will collapse into tyranny and tribalism once more. Every human on earth will hate this small group of rich assholes who somehow manage to trick all of us into hating each other.

      And maybe, on the other side of this, humanity will remember. They will remember that they want to be free, that they want to be nice to each other, that power is a waste of their one life. Maybe something good will come if it, like a flower out of ashes. Maybe all will be set right and wisdom will carry over from ages past. Humanity will awaken and with nothing to lose anymore, they will stop clinging to their materialistic world of power and status. There is many things going against authoritarianism. It’s not just that it’s evil, but it’s bad. It kills creativity, it ruins genetics, it takes away hopefully and also silences the dreamer. It cannot take responsibility and so in this way authoritarianism for all of its physical power, because frail and weak. It is so easy to overcome in that way once people decide they don’t want it anymore.

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    Remember when God said he didn’t want idols made, then he punished the Jews to wander the desert for 40 years.

    This gives those vibes.

    It feels plain wrong.

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      Remember when God said he didn’t want idols made

      You are about 1700 years late to this argument. Christians reconciled with iconography some time in the Byzantium Era.

      And after Protestantism? FFS, can you imagine what Joseph Smith would say about an AI Prophet, after spending half his career reading discs out of a hat with special sunglasses?

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        Sorry, totally unrelated but fun memory: Iconoclast was the first word whose unexpected etymology I (mostly) worked out on my own. I was watching a vh1 documentary on iconoclasts, and I’d just had a biology class where I’d learned about acetoclastic bacteria. I had a eureka moment wherein I leapt to the conclusion that “breaking the mold” was an older saying than I expected. I wasn’t totally right on that, but I was still psyched to have broken it down correctly.

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        I don’t have any problems with building beautiful things like cathedrals or making art in the name of God

        But building oracles and such is gross. The who AI pope question was insane.

        But I will have to read that article deeper, that’s an interesting wikipedia link

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          I don’t have any problems with building beautiful things like cathedrals or making art in the name of God

          What about Catholics praying to little figurines and statues of saints? Because that’s been going on for a long time

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            You know how people used to put pictures of their loved ones in a locket, or in their wallets, or as a background pic on their phones? That’s what they were supposed to be. (As told by a catholic friend)

            I can accept that. I have one of my kids in the car cause I used to drive like a maniac. It’s a constant reminder of the kind of person I should be while driving.

            But of course, people will be people, ignoring what they’re told and doing whatever the hell they like… “This statue cried blood, let’s pray to it!” (and ignore the leaking toilet upstairs)

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              You’re still not supposed to pray to anyone else, according to the Bible, and Catholics pray to the saints (and Mary I believe). Just outright heretical.

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          But building oracles and such is gross.

          You’re talking about a religion whose entire foundation is built on saints and prophets. The whole Jesus story is a big deal because it is fulfillment of prophecy.

          The who AI pope question was insane.

          It’s certainly heretical to the Catholic Church. But fits comfortably in a bunch of New Age and Technocratic Futurist Protestant understands of their faith.

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      You REALLY expect conservatives to actually follow the non oppressive sections of the scriptures?

      Rotfl

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      Also I don’t think Christ would return if we were all being cool to each other, so they’re admitting they’re just trying to push humanity more off track.

      How does that help you in God’s judgement? I’m pretty sure disrespecting all of his creation and doing the opposite of everything Jesus stood for won’t go well.

      I’m agnostic, but selfishly I would not purposefully try to hasten driving myself to hell/damnation if I believed in it.

      Thankfully the values my mom taught me are the same ones Jesus taught: love your neighbour as yourself and do unto others as you would have done to you.

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        Thankfully the values my mom taught me are the same ones Jesus taught: love your neighbour as yourself and do unto others as you would have done to you.

        This is what baffles me when my dad argues with me for being left of center.

        You sent me where they taught this, did you not want me to learn it?

        (Also not religious, but kept some of the philosophy)

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          There’s a lot of good Christian teachings that just make the world better regardless of your fear of eternal punishment or any god.

          While outside my education I’m sure most religions too, but too many people get caught up in casting out others, or hating the non believers, or doling out punishments they have no right to.

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    The ego on these people, calling themselves Christians but thinking God needs their help for his plans.

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      They think God works through them, and it is their divine duty to do this.

      It’s how they justify a lot of the shit they do.

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        I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.

        -Susan B. Anthony

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        It is their divine duty to do the things they already wanted to do and say it was for Jesus.

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        This justification is always funny.

        “Oh, your all powerful god needs the help of Brian the middle manager to get its work done for them?”

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          Because “God” works through us, imperfect tools, etc. The real question is why does anything we do matter if we are all just part of gods plan?

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            The answer to that is to do what God said to do to hasten his coming: spread the gospel. Not ban abortions, arrest gay people, criminalize trans people. Spread the gospel. Anything else is them using religion as an excuse to promote their opinions. I realize a lot of people here recognize that, but I still think it needs to be said.

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      Don’t you know, God is a lazy slob who needs to be provoked into action. And of course he has no idea what’s happening on Earth unless someone tells him in a very specific way.

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    This is why humanities degrees are important. We’re putting people into leadership positions surrounded by others who also have never critically engaged with a book.

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        Not just the Bible. A lot of this extremist ideology comes from people who like to sound smart, but don’t know what they’re talking about.

        Like the whole effective altruism movement, or even just the resurgence of eugenics with Musk and his whole birthing weirdness.

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    Why are the American religious right so fixated on the rapture? It’s a death cult sprawling across the nation like a cancer.

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      Because it gives them the ability to let themselves off the hook for participating in the destruction of the planet.

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        There’s also the childish desire for an “I told you so” as they watch anyone they don’t like being sent to hell.

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        Destruction of the planet, hardly. The earth has and will shrug of worse than humanity. Thinking otherwise is giving humanity too much credit.

        Destruction of humanity is more likely. We are actively making the earth worse for us, and many other species. But there are many more which will survive and thrive after we destroy ourselves.

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          I think when people say “destruction of the planet” they are really meaning “our ecosphere and the multitude of species that are currently going extinct”.

          Many recognize that we are in a 6th mass extinction period and understand that as the ecosystem goes, so do we. Is the spheroid body of the planet going to crumble or plate tectonics stop working because we’re gone? With all deference to George Carlin, no we know better (we’ll, there is the question about racking-induced earthquakes, but that’s a bit in the weeds).

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      These people think they’re in the end times because the world is in a garbage fire state, that they probably helped cause, and now they want out instead of doing literally anything else, including just not making it worse.

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      Because they think they will go to heaven. If I read the Bible I’d say they wouldn’t.

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      Because they think that they’re going to be the ones who are rewarded, not the ones who will be punished.

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    Where there was once purported atheism, there is now “a very loud, very visible and very specifically Christian-inflected technological culture” in Silicon Valley, said Damien Williams, a scholar at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte who studies how technologies are shaped by religious beliefs.

    Danger. Danger.

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    When your god is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, and also can easily be manipulated by puny human technology into doing your bidding.

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    With all of this ‘hasten the coming of Christ’ talk it sounds like they’re planning on catching and trapping him.