Funny. My Jellyfin instance is working fine. 😏
if the internet is down you wouldnt be able to post this
its us-east-1 as usual, I guess its that time of the year. and the companies haven’t changed either… so, basically the IT guys told the budget approvers we need more money they calculated it and said, no. see you next year for another one.
Or aws still haven’t fixed their own dependantcies on that region
*won’t fix
Postman is also down for me. Can’t sign in, or view workspaces locally.
Good.
Why?
Maybe it will spur us to make the internet more decentralized like it was supposed to be.
Why not? Fuck Bezos.
Oh I didn’t notice 🏴☠️
LoL, same. I didn’t even know a problem existed til I opened up Lemmy this morning. 😂
Same.
Why do these companies still sign with AWS? Didn’t they learn from the last two major outages in us-east? To say nothing of the deceptive business practices to obfuscate service utilization to overcharge businesses?
My guess, the CFO showed that using AWS saves the company a few cents to a fraction of a cent per what ever unit they measure by. Those few cents to a fraction of a cent add up when multiplied by the millions or hundreds of millions of units and that savings makes the CEO look like they are more profitable and can give shareholders more profit.
When everything is about the quarterly results and the need to always show growth so the board and shareholders don’t fire you, you’ll cut corners and take the risk, as long as it has the potential to make you look good.
Bro casually and respectfully explaining enshittification over here.
I’m dead tired and can’t think of a way to say this without sounding arrogant, seriously my brain is fried right now, so I’ll just say I take that as a compliment and thank you.
Airlines were one of the first to enshittify this way in the modern age. I think a lot of the current executives took this story to heart IMO.
Can you name a more reliable alternative? With citations?
Because every major cloud provider has outages. On prem clouds also have outages. Everyone does.
Can you name a more reliable alternative?
Stop using hyperscalers. Then when an outage does occur, it doesn’t take down half the internet, and instead only affects a much smaller subset of services.
Problem is that as a provider, if you are sure you are confident you’ll get hit by an outage at some point anyway, it’s actually better for you if a bunch of other big names are brought down at the same time.
Instead of “that one service sucked”, the story is “aws sucked”. If it happens too much people will more widely say “ok they suck for using aws”, but for now the transparency gets them treated more like being affected by an unavoidable external condition.
I’m grateful a lot of sites I like didn’t use aws, but I’m not exactly a common demographic and even I won’t know if she is the services even move or not until another such outage.
Okay, you know those have outages too right?
Like sure, it wouldn’t be all together like this, but that’s also not a reasonable ask for a lot of big cloud customers without huge investments for not actually anything extra reliability.
Did you read my entire comment? I know it’s more than one sentence, but your entire comment would be irrelevant if you read the whole thing.
Did you miss my point?
Why would a company move away from AWS?
Because everyone has outages…
Why should companies invest tens of thousands of dollars to move?
I read your comment. You basically repeated back what I said.
As for “not actually anything extra reliability”, that’s not true. This is literally the definition of all your eggs in one basket. If all these services were instead spread out amongst smaller providers, there wouldn’t have even been any news about it because it would have affected just a few services. But instead half the internet went down.
Even one of the applications I manage was down because of a single RTE npm dependency used on the forms. This is when we discovered that the npm module wasn’t bundling the whole thing but in fact dynamically pulling the js from a CDN hosted on AWS, because our prod instances kept erroring out for everyone (No, I did not write this application and I’m already replacing the dependency).
The argument isn’t about spending thousands for a lateral shift in reliability, the argument is to decouple everything from a single failure point.
Yes, the argument is about spending money to migrate, because how else do we decouple the single points of failure, if not to migrate away?
Remember, this is a capatistic hellscape. Everything is about money.
One potential advantage of being up while a whole lot of other companies are down is that some customers may end up switching to you during an outage involving the majority of your competitors.
Yes, you’d experience outages on the new service, but where you potentially lose X% of your business (I have no idea what that kind of number looks like - 0.1%? Higher? Lower?), in the event of AWS outage hitting all your competitors, they each lose 0.1% (or whatever) who disproportionately go to you because you were up while they, and other alternatives, were all down.
This potentially advantages the first companies to jump off AWS for a comparable alternative, which is fair sight better than if the advantages only showed up once some minimum of companies left AWS since no one would be incentived to be first.
From a worker point of view, nothing better than to shrug and say “not my hardware” and blame Amazon when your shit is down for two days, and take the opportunity to do some changes you’ve been putting off because they required scheduled downtime.
Nobody is switching businesses because the service they pay for it’s down for a day. If you run an individual service business (restaurant, florist) sure, but no one is seriously switching businesses over this. Reliable long term self hosting is expensive and your uptick of business for that one day won’t make up for it.
Sure, but how much money is that worth to an individual company? Because migration is not easy or cheap. And your not getting more reliability…
It’s not that hard to be more reliable. It just costs slightly more than renting from Amazon.
For these large businesses, I imagine they get favorable deals, and all the executives probably know each other and scratch each-other’s backs. For smaller businesses, AWS can decrease time-to-market, it’s easy to find people who are already familiar with it, and is seen as less risky than going with some smaller provider. Though, I hate the “cloud” with a passion, and whenever I’m given the choice, I avoid it. It’s quite a bit cheaper in the long run to avoid cloud providers too. On one long project I worked on, we hadn’t had downtime on any of our VPSs longer than a couple minutes over the course of 8 years.
No system is perfect.
Yes, and? Things can be better.
Sure, but perfect?
No one’s asking for perfect. But a better system would account for outages, which we’ve seen plenty of so far. How’s that saying go? Don’t let perfect be the enemy of progress? It’s out of reach for a reason.
AWS has outages. So the answer to your question is obvious, AWS is not an advantage over any other solution.
Hehe. Imagine managing your house in the cloud, and suddenly there is no heating, no light, all the “smart” appliances don’t work anymore, and the shower only produces cold water, because the shower thermostat got a “0” as return value when asking for the preferred temperature…
It’s not that far off. I woke up to an Internet outage and none of my home lighting routines fired off and I couldn’t control my lights via wifi. I got it under control shifting to Bluetooth but for a second it was infuriating.
Sounds like someone needs HomeAssistant…
Mostly they need to move to Zigbee/Matter or similar.
Was getting up and turning on the light switch not an option?
Never.
the fact that your home network setup for this relies on an internet connection is baffling
Games that require persistent internet are baffling to me… I mean the hitman games cannot store your mission achievements offline…
But games are games… if my stove and fridge and showers (fucking showers with wifi?) Need internet connectivity then that is bullshit. They are being too fucking optimistic about everything.
Games like that are also baffling to me, thankfully I’ve not purchased one but I would return it as soon as I discovered the limitation if that were to happen
I bought just the hitman game because I am a completionist and I just want that one. I don’t care for many other games.
Knowing a game is spying on me ruins the fun. My Steam Deck is blocked from the internet for that reason, but a fair number of games on Steam won’t work without connectivity. I seem to remember hearing about some girl who shares a huge collection of games that don’t require connectivity, though.
some girl who shares a huge collection of games that don’t require connectivity
Dunno her, https://www.mensxp.com/technology/gaming/171080-best-offline-games-without-internet.html
Is she fit?
I love fitgirls.
Well it ultimately just keeps score snd achievements… but why the fuck do the achievements need to be cloud based? None of the other games I have are like that.
I had about a dozen WeMo devices controlling various stuff around the house, they just accumulated over the years. About a year ago, I “got serious” and ripped out all the cloud connected stuff and setup a Zigbee based Home Assistant system. It’s about 5x more capable than the old hodge podge of cloud devices, much lower lag, much better management capabilities, and when the internet connection goes down, it still works. The cloud devices would take long coffee breaks about twice a year.
God, so many things gone wrong there. At least they could use “30” as the default value, right???
at least its not -254
Hey, I could at least observe superconductors at home!
That would break physics (assuming you’re using Celsius)
well considering it controls a heat exchanger device it can only break you
NM, I had it in my head that absolute zero is -253.15, but it’s -273.15
at least its not -254
This is why Home Assistant exists.
Of course. But 99% of the population is either too lazy or to dumb for that, or such problems would not exist.
99% of the population is either too lazy…
Nudges an unopened box of Zigbee door sensors ordered 2 years ago to the back of the shelf.
Resist the temptation, hundreds of hours will be lost down that rabbithole after you start.
Though, it is kinda cool stuff, when it’s working.
Don’t listen to him. Sure it may take a few hours a day over the course of a month or so to get right, but with the time you’ll save from all that automation you’ll break even in a few hundred years - and then it’s all gravy!
what’s a door sensor good for?
Sensing doors.
Peace of mind. We have a light that lights up red when a door is open. At the end of the night we get an announcement “all doors closed” - last night I got an announcement telling me one door was open - I went there and sure enough: the magnet side of the sensor had fallen off, door was closed.
When you’re not home it becomes part of the alarm system. When you are home it can turn on the lights or heating (or extractor fan in the bathroom) and you can aggregate it with other sensors to measure occupancy to turn those things off again. If you use Home Assistant (or something like it) you can use it to go anything that can be inferred from a door being used.
99% of the population doesn’t have IOT in their houses
There’s a good reason why I refuse to use cloud connected or Internet required “smart” devices.
It’s essentially an excuse for shitty engineering.
If you really need a device to be cloud connected then it can also maintain local data when the remote server is down. Even better, it uses an open spec and you can standup your own server.
Dream on, meanwhile the world will be buying $8 cloud connected “smart switches” because they’re the cheapest, easiest to install things out there and even grandma is able to say “hey Alexa, turn on the coffee maker” and make it work.
Joke’s on them. My coffee maker has a physical button!
Arrr no!
Anyway…
Looks like it was an Amazon AWS outage. Just geos to how how vulnerable the Internet is as it becomes ever more concentrated into the hands of the tech giants.
And criminals.
That’s what they said.
The mindblowing part of it for me is that a company the size of Disney don’t seem to have the appetite to own and run their own servers.
These are the same people that managed to get two counties redistricted so that they could own their own city, and to this day literally buy the entire electorate by giving housing only to people who vote the way they’re told to.
They’re being run by accountants, and one thing accountants hate is paying people to do a job, its always “far easier” just to pay a company for that.
As someone who works in tech I occasionally point out to people that if Jeff Bezos decided to go full supervillain he could hold the internet hostage. If you disabled AWS, Azure, or Google Cloud individually the cascading failures on the various systems would take weeks to fix, which we might not have with a supply chain collapse. Genuinely, I think there’s a real chance it could trigger the collapse of human civilization
BGP or DNS? It’s always one of those 2.
Hurricane?
Thats what happens when a single company controls the flow
YO HO! Thieves and Beggars! Hoist the colors high!
Yo ho yo ho a pirate’s life for me.
I think it’s just called BO Max these days
I’m not gonna dog on HBO out of all of them. They had been doing this subscription for premium content thing way before Netflix, and were the reason why we have so many amazing shows, some of which regularly make top 10 lists of all time.
They still have some good shows but its hard to justify the cost, as was always the case.
My biggest issue with them is their shit streaming quality.
Can’t say I’ve experienced this issue.
My internet isn’t great (about 15 megabit), and HBO has really bad compression artifacts and buffers really often, whereas Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, Disney, etc all do just fine.
I’m not saying it’s fact but it’s not unrealistic to think your provider might be giving preference to some of those on your list.
It seems more likely that HBO doesnt have many customers in the 15 Mbps range, so they haven’t invested much time on optimizing the experience.
I’m curious about this statistic. Got a source?
It’d make a pretty interesting read, especially if we start comparing production quality of shows between the streaming services.
They shouldn’t be. My internet comes from a WISP antenna network that I help manage connected to Fiberlight.
We’re a small neighborhood across a lake from any meaningful cities, so we have a 150-ft tower on either side of the lake. One side is connected to the fiber and the other has directional antennas aimed at receivers for each house.
My internet is delivered by storks.
my jellyfin didn’t go down
Using it right meow. Didn’t even know this was happening till I saw this post.
Neither did mine :)
Mine did… Although it’s completely unrelated to AWS.
Kodi is pretty reliable…
