I agree, it shouldn’t, but I but they do. Don’t deceive yourself like that. As I said, some stuff you can (still) keep under wraps, that’s how criminals do it, but connecting the dots they almost invariably get caught, sooner or later.
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Well, as much as I hate it, there’s no privacy when it comes to your government, and this is the case even since the internet was a thing.
Yes, we can keep some stuff obscured from the government, but the fact is that they know everything about us since we are born (probably even before). We need driver’s license, passport, bank accounts, registering homes, cars, even dogs, putting kids in the school system, health services, the list seems infinite.
But that does not mean we have to stop pushing back, because if we do, we’re utterly fucked.
This is the display of how we fight this. And I can only imagine the balls it took for you to take that position and move along. You’re one of those scarce unsung heroes that stands by his values instead of bending over to avoid inconvenience or even potentially detrimental outcomes.
Yet…
How do you know that won’t change in a week, month or year?
You make a good point. Now, I have 2 kids (12 and 10), and they use phones (when one of us allow them to). However, and thank God for that, the school they go to has banned cell phones entirely, which effectively reduces the unsupervised exposure to stuff we don’t want them to be on yet. Additionally, I removed everything ‘big tech’ from those phones, so they use Signal to communicate with their friends and family, get to stream content from my Jellybean instance, and have all types of DAV in my server to keep files, contacts, calendars and whatnot synchronized. Plus, I keep them tracked with my own Traccar instance when they go out, and I audit their devices pretty regularly.
I am all too aware we cannot shield them from everything. Some things will fall through the cracks, but that’s been the case even when we were kids (dad playboy mag left carelessly somewhere easy to grab?). This does not mean that I will allow, or even want, the government of any country deciding how my kids are raised. That’s my wife’s and my job, nobody else’s.
Having said that, I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that lazy parents are the ones that help the obscure intent of governments and large corporations drive this kind of shit to spy and control us.
Unfortunately the largest percentage of parents worldwide are just that lazy and irresponsible, and unless they change that, this will be the life and challenge of actually responsible parents. Sadly, I don’t see those parents suddenly caring for their kids,it just doesn’t happen. Why would they drop such convenience?
Wao, you actually think that’s all they know and therefore that’s the only data they would share and profit from?
OK, then I totally understand why you are so complacent about it. It all makes sense now.
Get offline and go out. I can’t tell you what your options are in your area. I could give you a whole list of the options in my area, but only you know where everything is in your environment.
This is just an excuse, not a justification. There’s always garage sales and such. Also, Facebook Marketplace is not the only game in town.
‘Forces’ should not even be used in this context. These companies are all too happy to be able to get even more PII from everyone.
Wait, so now I have to talk to a doctor before installing from F-Droid? Well, shit.
For all intents and purposes, your comment actually invalidates the premise of using ‘sideloading’ as a term for installing from outside the ‘official’ method.
You buy cough syrup because you’re coughing, not because you want to be drowsy (I would hope that’s the case). In the same way, you install Spotify to listen to music, not to get all your data extracted and sold. Getting drowsy is an inconvenient side effect of the medication, the same way that data grab and ads are an inconvenient side effect of the app.
You’re not ‘side-medicating’.
When you install a ‘.exe’ file in Windows, you don’t call it ‘sideloading’, you call it ‘downloading and installing’.
This is the exact same thing. I download from sites, F-Droid, Obtainium, etc., and install the software that is the file I downloaded. I’m effectively NOT side-anything.
These companies lack any sort of common sense. Nova is used (and suggested) by Android users that are at least minimally tech-savvy. What on earth would make them believe that news like this one would remain secret, and therefore allow them to keep the userbase to suck on their data?
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I can say you’ve probably spoken for me in this post.
I’m old enough to be that guy that wants less people in his life. I’m fine with what little friends I have, my family and my dog’s. The rest is noise, and I’ll deal with it only if I want to, otherwise, there’s plenty of animé, books and documentaries I can fill my solo time with, for the rest, I’ll always have the main 3 I mentioned.
I guess I did turn into that “grumpy old guy” I 🤣🤣
You’re absolutely correct. Most of us in Lemmy are far from being typical, which is why I love it here.
You’re absolutely right. I also found that, by leaving those platforms, now I know who my real friends are. Back then it was all chat, social networks and no personal interaction as such. Today, we call each other regularly, get together way more often, and when we say “later man” it can mean any time when we call or meet again, so I get to go back to my own stuff without being constantly interrupted by people constantly sending memes or saying “hi” on some shit platform just to see how long I take to respond.
When I want to get my fill of what’s going on in the things that do interest me, there’s Lemmy, Mastodon, Nostr and actual news (many, so that I can decide what I believe in the media without following political inclinations).
I can honestly say that my mental health, and my life as a whole, has improved exponentially since I made this move. I also get to deal with BS like people trying to justify staying in some platforms, maybe rile them up a bit, and then move on without a care.
Wao, Nepal is another part of the UK. Learning something new every day.
I would believe that theory. People are dumb enough to make that entirely feasible.
I can never disagree with this premise. Government institutions are dysfunctional and broken as hell, regardless of the country we’re referring to. And that alone supports your point, so I have to say, you are right, not one single institution has all our info. The sum of all of them may, however, have it all. Should they choose to organize all our data and have it centralized (say one database for all institutions to feed from) it’s just a matter of merging the data and giving all of them access, even if they use different systems.
That’s where I’m going with this. We do need to obscure as much as we can, but knowing what we’re not able to keep private anymore is pivotal to focus on those things that we can keep under our control.