“But it also takes a lot of energy to train a human,” Altman said. “It takes like 20 years of life and all of the food you eat during that time before you get smart. And not only that, it took the very widespread evolution of the 100 billion people that have ever lived and learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how to figure out science and whatever, to produce you.”
So in his view, the fair comparison is, “If you ask ChatGPT a question, how much energy does it take once its model is trained to answer that question versus a human? And probably, AI has already caught up on an energy efficiency basis, measured that way.”
Wasn’t technology developed to improve humanity’s quality of life? Are we being compared with it and determined as inefficient now?
Fuck Sam Altman, fucking cunt
His argument is his computer is more important than other people, and he’s willing to deprive them of resources to death.
creating the “ai” in the first place also required the evolution of those 100 billion people. So by that argument, he was behind before he even started, and it’s impossible to catch up
Somebody actually did the math, and even accounting for all the energy that it takes for a human to stay alive a pair of decades, it’s not even a hundredth of the energy needed to run the training of GPT-3. And GPT-4 took over fifty times that. Cf. fosstodon.org/@atoponce/116121…
RE: fosstodon.org/users/atoponce/s…oof! apply water to the burn- oh wait we don’t have any!
train a human
This guy has the same level of empathy as Zuck.
dystopian novel type shit
Idk maybe we should do something about this man.
do it
I’ll get this one if you take Thiel
Silicon valley was a huge source of revenue for America… And when you have one industry, or a bunch of individuals making all the money - it risks authoritarianism capture of democracy.
That’s just capitalism working as intended.
Train him?
lmao best comment ever
I wonder why nobody has Mangione’d those filthy millionaires yet.
I have no idea why people keep using an innocent man’s name to talk about murdering people.
He didn’t do anything, so saying that you Mangione someone it means you don’t do anything with him =]
Well, they’re trying to kill him (Luigi), so that’s a valid interpretation.
Why? He’s doing his best to show how absurd our current system is.
Any of those man-eating predators still around?
He’s not efficient enough for current construct. Exterminate!
The humans still exist and need food, even if they are replaced by chatbots in the workforce. The comparison is therefore useless, unless you plan to murder the unemployed.
A modest proposal
unless you plan to murder the unemployed.
Well, that’s precisely what some of the Trump-aligned fascists are suggesting on live television.
What the shit
Also
involuntary lethal injection
as opposed to voluntary?? He’s trying to soften the language by adding that (totally redundant) extra adjective to remove focus from the ‘lethal’ part
How the fuck does involuntary soften the language?
Plan is obvious… to me. Why not so to everybody else
but PER QUESTION how many kilowatt hours are they using. not just in their heads, in their hearts and in their booties.
I don’t but the police work for me since I am a billionaire and they can murder the unemployed for me!
To save the working man, you’ve got to put him out to pasture
Soup us Good Food - Dead Kennedys
Someone on Bluesky pointed out that, even if you ignore the morality of this argument, AI is trained on human content, so if we’re going to start examining the human energy cost, we’ll have to factor in the cost of every single human whose work was used by ChatGPT on top of the data center costs.
Which makes the fact that their predictive text models are incapable of original thought that much more absurd.
Y’know what uses the most resources, Sammy?
BILLIONAIRES!
…we should eat them.
I’d prefer composting and growing veggies.
you sure any veggies would be able to grow?
I am pretty positive, yes. Hair and nails alone are already good fertilizers.
People fucking hate AI now, surely talking about humanity as if they are a bunch of livestock will turn that sentiment right around.
I really wish Sam Altman would treat himself with the dignity and efficiency he wants to treat us with.
The ideology of evil eugenicists didn’t die with Hitler, and they didn’t die with Epstein either.
He will probably claim to work a gazillion hours a week with an unrivaled efficiency, making him one of the most productive humans on Earth. Because these people are not just sociopaths, they’re also completely delusional about their intelligence and true worth, out of money worth.
You’re right. I forgot that AI people had that mindset. A dangerous thing to forget, because people like that will literally descend into an ideology that believes you can kill others if they inconvenience you.
Oh good, the Bitcoin argument.
“Sure, Bitcoin wastes a lot of energy, but you know what else wastes energy? The Visa payment network.”
Yeah, but Visa handles six quadrispillion transactions per megawatthour, Bitcoin handles two drug purchases. Not the same results, is it?
So yeah, training humans takes a lot of energy. But in the end, you get a coherent, capable and well functioning individual. Spend the same energy on training LLMs and you get a system that’ll happily tell you to glue the cheese on pizza or something.
Not trying to defend the idiotic argument, but feels like more often than not the human output is not what I would call coherent, capable and well functioning.
Well to be fair, we’re putting those resources into AI and not schools.
Well another argument they have is the amount of waste that comes with the churn of fiat currency, where we inflate asset values in order to deliberately grow aggregate demand.
The housing bubble for instance was obviously cheap debt, which was used to grow aggregate consumption, by rewarding asset holders thus encouraging them to offload their asset to increase the velocity of money.
On the gold standard the average mortgage was 7 years, which was because there was less need to grow the money supply, because we werent trying to force an inflation target. Massive windfalls werent common, and thus housing wasnt being bid up via the cantillon effect, so was better for society in many ways when consumption wasnt being forced onto people.
The problem was that things started breaking at scale under the gold standard. The great depression happened under the gold standard, and financial institutions had no ability to do anything to fix the mass hysteria.
Yes, the house as an investment vehicle rather than a house is a problem, but it’s not because of fiat currency per se. The population density increasing under a capitalistic system pretty much guarantees that housing becomes a speculative asset regardless of the specifics of the currency system.
Meanwhile BTC has been wildly unpredictable and when it’s at its most hyped, massively deflationary which is also a terrible thing.
Yeah because nobody drugs with any other method than bitcoin. Clutch those pearls harder while you wash down your leagal and totally not drugs pharmaceutical pills and alcohol.
Mistaking the map for the territory. The argument isn’t that bitcoin is bad because it’s used to buy drugs, it’s bad because the network would choke if it even had to handle the economic activity of a moderately sized town.
Ha! I have never had a disease nor one sip of the alghoul’s poison.
More of an inhalant type monarch, eh?
Except the energy AI is using should also calculate the amount of time and energy used to create all the plagiarized works in its memory banks to make a better comparison.
Don’t forget the energy needed to produce the humans who:
- Produced research leading to the creation of LLMs.
- Figured out how to design the GPUs that AI run on.
- Extracted the raw materials for the chips.
- Processed the materials into products.
- Transported the materials and products.
- Installed the GPUs in datacenters.
- Built the datacenters.
- Operate the civil infrastructure providing power and water to the datacenters.
- Planned and designed that civil infrastructure.
- Congregated into a single area to create the town/city where that infrastructure was planned.
- Birthed that population of people.
- Etc.
Hint: It’s the same cumulative energy that his own stupid argument is hinged on.
And inventing and refining the computer
If we ate just one techbro the other ones would fall in line pretty quickly
If you eat one techbro, you consume about 300,000 kcal, which is significantly more energy than it takes to ask chatGPT one question. So who is more energy efficient, AI-atheists? /s
Why /s
To make it clear that it’s sarcasm
What is the charge? Eating a meal, a succulent techbro meal?
So we power the LLM data centers with techbros until we are out of techbros, after which we shut down the LLM data centers. Pretty sure we’d be able to take a half day, honestly.
If it fits your macros
We should just eat them all. They stopped contributing anything of value years ago.
Idk man, I am really scared of prion diseases.
So don’t eat the brains. Those are rotten anyway.
A good ol’ public hanging.
hanging is too straightforward
