No, not “off” the internet.

Off the big corporate-driven soulless sites, maybe. Smaller discussion groups/forums, dedicated services, etc. still works. It’s less tedious, less eating your brain.

Basically, going back to internet before central planetary services that feed on everyone being miserable.

I’m ready to give up on most things.

Set up your own website if you haven’t already, the indie web/smallnet/etc movement lately has been really cool to see and has made the internet fun again for me. Neocities is a great place to start if you need simple hosting, completely free and without ads

The Internet sucks now. There’s just not “things” on it anymore. When I was a teenager, there was always something new and interesting to do online. Modern Internet is social media, streaming, and shopping. It’s just not the same.

I was told that I was as evil as the BTK killer a couple days ago. That was because I think circumcision is bad and female genital mutilation is worse. A couple weeks prior I was called a few dozen different awful things in a many many page dissertation about how evil I am. That one, because I made a one sentence joke about Hasan then trolled a 5 page response to it. So, idk maybe enough internet.

I viciously “edit” the internet as much as I can. I block toxic social networks and have deleted any accounts I had on them. There’s a Firefox plugin that lets you individually block sites in search results so you reduce scraper garbage SEO sites in your results. PiHole, uBlock, and whatever else that is available to block ads, tracking, etc. “-ai” when searching. Use SearXNG or non-big data search tools when able.

News comes from places like AP or Reuters. Not perfect, but better than half-true at best MSM clickbait.

It sucks. It takes work to enjoy what used to be better a decade ago, but let’s face it it’s been steadily downhill since ‘10 or so. I truly miss the “old” web. Yeah, it had its own problems, but it was far, far better and more egalitarian than this war zone of monetization and manipulation we have today.

I keep a book on my person at all times now. Instead of mindlessly grabbing my phone (internet propaganda portal), I’ll grab the book instead. Been doing it about six months now, I like it a lot. I still havnt finished a book, I jump from one to the other very often, but I’m reading much more.

Its okay to sign off. I had a panic attack two weeks ago, and basically had to sign off for a time. I’m still keeping distance from the internet though. Renewing my love of reading has been a serious positive though.

I thought about this multiple times, I’ve went digital minimalist and it partially is better, you just unlock so much space and mind relax once you are a few days without an internet connection. But I think that’s not enough. And the internet today is shit, like every communication media, if it isn’t permeated by enough novelty it starts being in control of the few and it starts entering game powers and becoming shit. Think of printed press, radio, TV: all great inventions but they all eventually just lost their original empowering and sharing purpose and became redundant stuff, getting worse and worse, more and more controlled, less and less free and reachable.

And this is happening to the internet as well, it’s not a novelty, it’s just that we’ve grown up with it, and as the tool is new its way of getting out of reach is new as well, and there aren’t worthy alternatives yet, at least not so used that you can even build very effective communities / new medias of communication on. It’s not even internet fault, it’s human fault. We love power games and control so much that we end up using our tools to destroy ourselves instead of empowering ourselves, that’s not a technological problem, that’s a cultural one. We are stressed animals, we’ve been like that for centuries.

I am also very very very, and I mean very tired. Every business wants to enter social medias, and every person who joins social medias ends up becoming the same: they want more, more followers, more attention, more posts. People are starting to lose actual human contact and interactions, even sex is starting to be more about a screen than body on body.

We have AMAZING tools. Internet is amazing, AI is amazing. We could solve so much of the world’s problems if we used them the right way, but we didn’t. We like becoming stale, we like to avoid novelty, to avoid connection, we are sick and stressed. We simply focus on the wrong things. All the time.

I mean think how software just progresses better if it’s open source, think about Linux, it’s just an open, novelty seeking OS. Even Linux Torvalds said that every kind of locking development with licenses, every kind, even GNU licenses that made illegal to close source the code, was detrimental to the development, he was an advisor of completely open licenses as MIT. And that’s because he loved what he was doing, and loved that the code was completely accessible and most companies originally were selling support, not their code.

Proprietary platforms mask the same ways to profit on you as novelty accessibility. They lock down their code and they make it stale, the problem is not even they wanna profit from it, it’s they wanna subtly profit on you without you being completely aware on what they are doing (whether we can still debate if money is a good way to exchange value between people). It’s they wanna play tricks on you. It’s okay if you sell a platform to someone for a service in exchange, it’s not okay to strongly push people on it, locking their machines down, closing down hardware and software on a single platform, influencing the politics, people’s view of reality, actively destroying alternatives, for selling your product.

They all knew what they were doing, but they saw the profits and started to ignore everything else.

Power makes people sick, power is our problem, the concept of power is something typical of a carnivorous animal when it predates other animals, or in hierarchical structures all deriving from the stress of the animal about not being able to satisfy its needs. And being so aggressive towards our own species to the point of creating institutions made specifically for that purpose is something that can arise just from a highly stressed species. We ignored the existing networks in nature and ignored that real harmony can be found in relationships that are more similar to symbiosis, not to predation. We are definitely capable of satisfying our basic needs as a collective species thanks to all our technologies, but we did never seek for balance, we seek for power. Instead of accepting death and pain we started to reject them, and in that process we created way worse pain and more death, and we became blind to beauty. Sometimes somehow we seem to realize it and create better situations, but history teaches that we always come back, it’s a cycle.

I don’t even think this can be solved by human beings unless we somehow change our brains, the alternative is some sort of external entity interacting with us, something that can be incredibly fast and distributed. Otherwise, with the help of our beloved technology, we’ve happily became so powerful that we can destroy ourselves.

I’ll tell you right now: many of those old corners of the internet… Are still there. A lot aren’t, but a lot still are. Seek them out, it’s worth it.

I’ve given up on the super-corporate side of the Internet.

99% of my Internet use is Mastodon and Lemmy, both of which don’t really represent “the Internet”. I sail the high seas occasionally to help meet my other needs.

Yes, multiplayer gaming is toxic as hell. If I’m doing that, I have chat turned off, but mostly I’ve managed to finagle the Internet into my own personal, cozy little Hobbiton derivative, so it doesn’t feel quite so toxic to me as it might to the population at large.

Lemmy is a salvation spot for me, been an internet denizen since before I was a teen, it has been sad to see it slide into popularity contest/mass consumerism garbage. But I enjoy my Minecraft videos I’ve been watching for over a decade and getting to chat about homelab/Linux stuff as an alternative.

Its not like the real world (in the us at least) is doing any better lmao

Not at all. Look at this beautiful corner we have made here.

I mean I gave up on web 3.0, bloated to hell web pages and telemetry shit. Stick on the small web and fediverse much as you can. Its still fun but it’s like music, you have to look hard to find good things now because its not right out there in front of you because there’s too much of it.

Instead of giving up, keep learning so you can explain and help the non tech illiterate how to run their own servers and docker containers etc etc for when every application requires a brain chip supplied by musky to log in. A lot of the normies are lost right now at how all this works and no one is explaining it to them. Now, 98% won’t listen to you, but you can try

I understand completely but am trying to mold my access to the world in a way that doesn’t cause me such depression. I don’t use the normal social networks, I’ve used the piefed filters to block everything about musk, trump, ice, america, politics, etc. and I’ve never followed any kind of “news”.

Before I did that, I was literally becoming chronically suicidal(well, that’s not gone but it’s better) from the absolute shit-show that the world has become(it’s not just the US, other countries are quickly adopting the bipartisan hatred model now that they see it works to divide). It would be different if you saw something regarding a change towards improvement but that’s never seen, you just get another endless scroll of shit that is destroying society with no way to change it.

The fediverse is just as bad as any other social network out there. Although the leaning is opposite, it’s still full of extremism, hyperbolic hatred, ridicule, mockery, division and sufferporn. Without filters, it would be as unusable to me as, say, facebook or trump’s social network.

I’m withdrawing a lot from people online but still spend a lot of time online, it’s just not as interactive as it used to be.

If this is not sustainable, I’m sure I’ll likely follow your lead and leave it to the rest of the world.

It’s hard to get a recipe off the internet without having to hunt for it after a 14 mile long backstory no one on earth cares about. To me, that sums up the internet. It’s damn near dead.