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I didn’t even know there was a Patreon app. I signed up through the website. On a computer. Old school.
Yes! Exploit the morons as much as they’re willing to be exploited!
None of them have the brains/balls to fight back.
Technofeudalism.
So, all business is becoming a protection racket?
Gotta love walled gardens! /s
@Sine_Fine_Belli 😡 Tim Cook is a bad man. Do not federate with him!
There are a few EU alternatives. Why are those not being considered.
LiberaPay is one.
Why are those not being considered.
Because people are stupid 🤷.
I’ve never heard of them. They look kinda neat, you’re still paying the processor fees, but they can save you a few percent.
Gotta recoup all those fascist donations
To follow this logic: if you use an e-banking app, Apple will soon claim to be entitled to 30% of all transactions. Same for paypal, ebay, you name it
Well call it tithe for your digital overlord.
God only asks for 10%… shows you what Apple thinks of themselves.
Apple charges 30% when you sell digital goods within an app. That’s not the same as moving money in your bank account or buying something on eBay.
It’s still robbery, but it’s not the same.
When people subscribe, they typically get something digital in return on Patreon.
So 30% tax on buying digital goods on ebay?
Does eBay sell digital goods?
I’d kinda expect the answer to be yes if so if you use the ebay app? If not, I’m actually surprised.
I’m not sure but I’m wondering if a key counts?
Like a digital game key? I’d say yes.
If it’s not a big part of eBay though, I can see that maybe sneaking past as Apple might consider the app as selling physical goods and overlook a small portion of digital?
Timmy Cook is just a bean counter. He’s got nothing to innovate or build. That’s Apple has been buying back shares non stop. Their lead designer jumped ship a while ago. It’s only a matter of time.
They still have wicked hardware, nobody is near their M5 performance/watt though
Good perf per watt, but super expensive, walled garden, internally spying and nearly unrepairable.
We will need an alternative to Patreon that even people on Patreon can go to
kinda like how youtube takes massive cut of ad revenue, which is why they switch to patreon, brand deal and promotions. 30% is pretty steep for small content creators, that isnt peddling right wing grifting.
Choose another payment method. Choose another platform - web based? - where these fees don’t apply. Hell, buy a throwaway droid phone to keep your money from apple’s greedy hands.
Google imposes the same restriction, if you buy a digital service (such as a Patreon subscription) you need to pay the Google tax.
I don’t know if Patreon got an exemption from Google, but any smaller developer doesn’t for sure.
YT influencers fled to patreon because of google doing the same thing.
More people will be forced to use other platforms like subscribe star and pixiv fanbox
To make this clear: Patreon is a platform mainly used by creators, artists, musicians to get a reliable income directly from their fans. Apple is trying to steal 30% of the income of our favorite artists.
Good thing none of us have iPhones here, right, guys? Right?
I don’t rofl
Honestly I wouldn’t touch Apple products with a bargepole. I dislike closed ecosystems
Its not closed
The door is just very very tiny
I always end up with MacBooks after startups and love to have something I can just pick up and use whereas my PC is my command center. Most of my shit is web or local web services so just need a Mozilla terminal. Also, I can’t fathom buying one out of pocket. I’ve also never had an iPhone, it doesn’t make sense to my brain.
So…if you’re just using web stuff, you could probably save a heap by using a Chromebook. That’s what my wife’s personal laptop is and is perfect for web stuff (and has the option of Android apps too, like Mozilla). It’s not her only computer though.
You’d rather be spied on constantly by the largest panopticon ever created, because they allow sideloading.
Honestly this is voting for Trump over Kamala; we need a viable alternative. Why have they taken personal computing from us?
You can deGoogle Android if you want, hopefully better alternatives, that don’t suck, like Linux Phone™ 🙏 arrive before too long.
Except all the posts I see about degoogling start with purchasing Google hardware.
like what? I dumped my google hardware in the process
other options besides graphene exist, like lineage OS that work on a ton of different phones. and sure graphene requires google hardware but nobody says you have to buy the hardware from google direct. buying used is different than buying from google
It’s also an option many people would be fine with. I’m okay with Google having my money. Paying companies for products is perfectly fine. I just don’t want them to have my data and invade my privacy
No, I’d rather use my device like I want to use my device instead of how I’m told to use it. I don’t need to sideload on this device but glad I can if and when I want to. I prefer having a computer with me rather than a purposely stunted device kept that way to sell other devices in the ecosystem.
You say it’s purposely stunted, I say it has guardrails that saves me hours and hours of family IT support time un-fucking my elderly parents phones. This was something I’d have to do every single time I was home when we had android phones.
I would dump Apple in a heartbeat if something better existed. They’re not good but they’re the best for my personal scenario of the current options.
You really shouldn’t be so downvoted for sharing your experience. While not ideal it’s valid and understandable.
It happens if you express any positive sentiment towards Apple. I don’t give a shit, downvotes matter not.
I don’t need my phone to be a completely open computer, I have a computer and a server for that. I need a communications appliance, and since I’m the family IT guy, I need the lowest bullshit device my boomer parents can operate. My parents are not going to run some high privacy custom ROM because I’m not going to troubleshoot their problems. I realize that those ROMs are objectively better if you’re only considering the phone, but I basically have to manage a fleet of devices, and it’s easier troubleshooting if I’m also using the same. I don’t love Apple, it’s just easier.
So you’d rather be spies on by the formerly largest panopticon ever created AND not be able to side load?
If you think Apple is some paragon of privacy you might want to do some research on that lol.
Were being spied on regardless, better to choose the option that allows one to do the most with it. If I could throw together my own phone and run a Linux variant on then I fucken would, but as it phone hardware is ass and Linux mobile doesn’t exist for my phone.
You can’t logic people out of an emotional decision. The hatred of Apple runs deep.
The obviousness of this is how Android users troll Apple discussions but Apple users don’t troll Android discussions.
They have insanely strong opinions on what other’s choices that it borderline religious.
The terminally online Apple cultists bully other people all the time. I mean you’re literally doing it right now while also blatantly lying about it.
Android has orders of magnitude more users than apple and the vast majority couldn’t care less what phone someone uses.
This is a discussion about apple not android.
Pointing out a behavior trend isn’t bullying.
Been locked in this ecosystem for a while guys. I’m not proud of it.
It’s better than the alternatives, unfortunately. I really want to dump Apple; the products are waning in quality and the company is spending a lot of time genuflecting for king tangerine. But it just works.
“Just install grapheneOS” my brother in Christ, I have no time or interest in fucking up with the primary communication device I rely on to reach family, friends, and work. I don’t have time for the hobbies I want to do let alone adding work-adjacent activities under the cloak of a hobby.
Installing graphene was not like flashing a ROM ten years ago. You just follow the simple steps on the web installer.
When for xiaomi…jpg
I’d love to jump ship.
The ecosystem is really seamless, especially with a MacBook and Apple watch in the mix.
Though I don’t think there is any winning in the smartphone space. There is a duopoly and even if you personally use graphineOS you still are benefitting and helping the Google ecosystem by using Android apps.
Sadly I don’t think we can “vote with our wallets” on smartphones. We need legal legislation that forces both Apple and Google to be consumer friendly.
Agreed. And someone on this side of the Atlantic with the teeth to bite Apple’s face off when they pull shit like they did with right to repair or not allowing progressive web apps.
“You need to let end users be able to repair your devices.”
“Okay we will sell a $700 repair ‘kit’ and each replacement part is $1000 and also they’re hardware locked to the original device so you can’t reuse older devices for parts. BTW you need our certification.”
Nothing would prevent you from communicating with a Graphene OS phone. It’s a smartphone OS, not compiling Arch here…
But use whatever excuse you can find to stay in the Apple ecosystem, that’s fine.
I’m already there & I don’t have money to switch. THATS A PRETTY GOOD FUCKING REASON.
Perhaps the parent commenter has apps they need to run for work? I know Microsoft Authenticator isn’t supported on Graphene, which is admittedly bullshit but it’s a requirement if you work in the government or high security industry like utilities. If that’s the case they should be given a work phone, but companies don’t do that most of the time in my experience.
Or perhaps they’ve had a bad experience with an older version. I know that Ubuntu Mobile couldn’t even make calls on a lot of devices for a while. I recently had an experience where DTMF signaling didn’t work, which meant I couldn’t navigate phone trees to do things like get prescriptions filled.
Point being, there are lots of real reasons folks are stuck in their predicament.
The temptation to be snarky is strong, but we risk hurting imperfect allies instead of fighting our real enemies.
It totally could and probably would. I am a phone OS tinkerer myself, but the above poster is right that it is a lot of hobbyist type tinkering and you can brick your device and fuck it up so you can’t communicate with your friends and family.
I agree with the main sentiment that these alternative OSs for phones and computers are a lot better in a lot of ways, but we are unwise to act like getting your computer or phone that way is that easy. Trying to get an alternative OS working well on a device can very easily consume an entire waking day or more, and bricking is not impossible, especially with phones.
Just buy a Fairphone from Murena with /e/OS preinstalled. You don’t have to do anything yourself. It mainly works like a phone without any issues, all the features I need work on it and I didn’t have to install it manually and supported the devs
Never too late to switch to GrapheneOS.
I can’t unlock my bootloader so i’m fucked.
I am in it for not too long, I wanted a Framework notebook but they didn’t sell in my country so I couldn’t purchase it through my business so I went with macbook and iphone next to because, why not.
I generally don’t care much about things like in the op news tbh, as if I have a subscription for something I use it directly from the website
And stuff like the seemless integration when switching from my phone to my MacBook with my airpods is fucking great.
but I am not a normal techie, I am waaay overindexed on user experience over a lot of things, for example I pay for spotify because the Ux is great for me, I refuse to pay for streaming devices because my own plex/jellyfin server is a much better UX.
I am also refusing to buy cars without physical buttons.
But I like my blue iMessages!
Definetly not, wayyyy to closed.
Yeah, hopefully Patron doesn’t roll over and just removes the option to do it in iPhone. Taking away functionality will make Apple look bad, which they deserve.
They already caved.
On Wednesday, Patreon said Apple has renewed its requirement that all Patreon creators must move to subscription billing. The deadline to do so is November 1, 2026.
I really think this move blows and I wish they would reverse this decision and make an exception.
However Tim Cook didn’t wake up one day and wonder how he could fuck creators. Apple takes a 30% cut of all app transactions. This is how they benefit from the enormous and highly successful app platform and ecosystem they created. It’s not pure evil to say “hey use this platform all you want but you must share some of what you make there with us.”
It does suck that they won’t let creators off the hook though. This is like taxing rips.
The platform is enormous and highly successful solely because it is a monopoly in the Apple ecosystem
I guarantee you if other app stores were allowed on Apple devices, they would take significant market share with a far smaller cut of revenue
We can safely assume that alternative app stores would have less effect on iOS than they have on Android, where Google desperately wants others to step in and develop their ecosystem. And they aren’t very significant on Android at all. I tried distributing my app on Samsung Galaxy in addition to GPlay and despite its preferential positioning with the world’s largest phone maker, I got peanuts for installs. Not even a rounding error. I literally took the app down. Oh and then Xiaomi got banned from the SDK and they stole my APK for their third party app store and began sending me bug reports about how it was “broken” there. Ah yes the power and glory of alternative app stores… Apple are wise not to dump this cesspit into their ecosystem, which people love because all they want is one decent, unified default that works well.
Hasn’t this type of thing already been litigated?
Yes it has, but now, all of our consumer protections have been obliterated
What is the intended enforcement mechanism?
Companies whose profits are taken sue Apple for not only lost revenue but also punitive damages.
Yes, it has. And Apple (mostly) won.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple
In January 2024, the Supreme Court denied the full appeals of both Apple and Epic in the case, leaving the case primarily a victory for Apple in allowing them to continue restricting app distribution to their App Store and to continue restricting in-app purchases to Apple’s payment systems, but requiring Apple to allow developers to link to external websites offering alternate payment options (off-app purchases).
Ah, I hadn’t seen it went to the Supreme Court and ruled this way.
Cook needs a new boat
