What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?
i still think Balan Wonderworld was awesome. the single button controls were refreshing after three decades of controller bloat, the suits felt like a fun evolution of the character switching from LEGO Star Wars, the game is full of weird nooks and crannies that constantly had me thinking “i can’t believe they thought of that,” and the music and art kick ass. there are definitely areas that could be improved and i think we were all hoping for something more kinetic from Sonic Team alum but it’s still ultimately one of the better AAA games in the last few years. i still don’t understand the backlash, especially after the crickets Naka’s previous and signifigantly worse game Rodea the Sky Soldier got
Interstellar
Someone said interstellar was bad? Who said that?!!! Hold my beer.
Tenet
I don’t care if it has plot holes. It’s still an awesome movie.
I haven’t seen it yet, what are the plot holes?
The movie is about things going backwards in time. For example, there is a scene where there are bullet holes in a glass window. In a later action scene, these bullet holes are reverted by a gun going backwards in time. Turns out, these bullet holes were also going backwards in time.
This doesn’t make any sense, because the implication is that this glass window was installed with these bullet holes from the beginning.
There are more examples of similar paradoxes, so the recommendation is to not think about it too hard.
But it’s cool either way.
Honestly I don’t consider them plot holes. ‘Don’t try to understand it’ was not only directed at the protagonist. The premise is pretty much what if we simply accepted this impossible mechanic.
I wish it had better a final act than two almost identical armies fighting in a desert. Reminded me of FPS games the late 2000s.
Yeah but that building going kaboom in both directions of time is super cool.
Not sure what tactical purpose it had.
C’mon Tars!
Steven Universe. The online fandom was insane. The actual show was incredible.
My daughter introduced me to that show. I enjoyed watching it with her.
Greg fucking rules.
Yeah, the fandom is… Not great. It’s basically just an American anime, but the online fans are rabid.
It honestly reminds me of the fandom for Undertale. If you only ever play the game, you’ll have a wonderful time. But if you ever do some online searches to try to dig into it further or find people to discuss it with, you’ll quickly discover that the online fandom is extremely toxic.
I tried so hard but it just didn’t click with me.
That’s OK. No piece of art or media is gonna be everyone’s Thing.
I like listening to some of the shittiest songs ever made mixed in with some of the best songs ever made, on shuffle. About 6400 songs now, extremely different genres. Digbar was my 3rd biggest artist last year lol
You should add MC Hellshit and DJ Carhouse’s “Live” (1996) to your list.
Sonic The Hedgehog
YES 100% Sonic was always cool.
Specifically, Tamers’ “Sonic The Hedgehog Gets Stuck In A Hole Because He’s Fat”
Sonic gets stuck in a washer machine.
Totally Spies 🥲
AMD > Nvidia
Ohh people are aren’t going to like this
AI coding, “vibe coding”
Nice an actual controversial take. Im glad more people are getting into coding because of AI honestly. Anyone can code (not just a saying).
Me im impressed sometimes, but its only good for scripting languages. Start getting into compiled or anything beyond templates and it falls on its face.
That was my experience a few months ago as well, but recently I’ve actually been using it almost exclusively with rust, the extra type safety and language safety features have helped a lot with the end code quality.
Claude in particular has been really impressive with compiled languages, it does take a bit more hand holding to get something workable out than with javascript or python though.
Vibe coding has a niche, which is people who can read, understand, and debug code, but can’t remember the syntax or can’t be arsed to write everything manually. It’s good for blocking in right now, basically, and that’s an entirely valid use of the technology
Yeah, vibe coding is fantastic for “I want to give this input {a}, have it do {function}, and return result {z}” types of code.
The issue is that being able to articulate that to an AI already basically requires you to think like a programmer. And many of the people getting into vibe coding don’t have that kind of mindset. They want to just go “give me a program that does {z}” and expect it to work.
Yes please.
- I’ve found ai useful as a tool especially when switching context to a different language or framework, as a quicker way to get the syntax and features, to generate a first approximation. It works and saves time
- vibe coding is a horrendous waste of my time doing code reviews. Don’t people look at the slop their tool generates and try to refine it? Why is it ok to waste my time like this?
Edit: just did yet another code review generated with “vibe coding” and there is so much slop that will create maintainability issues in the future - did everyone forget the truism that code is much more expensive to maintain than to create? So much duplicated code, misleading names, useless and excessive tests, hard-coded strings duplicated, etc. …… and I found an entire generated function very close to identical to one the same guy already created
AI coding, “vibe coding”
We call it ‘slopping’
No we don’t
Yeah, take the enshittification out and +1.
How many corporate man hours are wasted re-inventing the wheel a bajillion times? Wouldn’t it be awesome if people could do less of that, and do more personal stuff like “make this niche program to cuz I want to, and share it,” or “make a game as a passion project” because the bar to entry isn’t an expensive CS education?
How many corporate man hours are wasted re-inventing the wheel a bajillion times? Wouldn’t
Honestly, very little. Unless you’re in a “not designed here” environment. There’s a lot of open source applications/libraries out there that can be added to your project to get what you need.
But I do agree, vibe coding can be great as long as it’s just for one off small projects. Need to do a quick computation or a quick POC and don’t want to spend the time setting everything up? Great!
But if you want to build an application that’s used by 1000 or even millions and receives regular updates? Please follow best practices / design patterns, etc… otherwise you’ll be rewiring the entire codebase every time you want to add a new feature.
I dunno, my experience is teams of people grinding away designing systems that are likely 95% the same as what several other companies already constructed, if not hundreds. It’s great if they use (much less contribute to) some open library for the functionality, so the wheel doesn’t get re-invented, but how often is that the case?
Of course one doesn’t want to distribute slop. I’m talking more theoretical, especially if more formal code verification becomes standard.
Mind you, a lot of this reimplementation is because those 1000 other implementations that came before all haven’t had their source code released to the public. No amount of vibecoding is going to help there because those LLMs were never trained on code that was never publicly released.
They’re trained on plenty that’s similar enough, as long as its Python or something in the dataset.
It’s also been shown that LLMs are good at ‘abstracting’ languages to another, like training on (as an example) Chinese martial arts storytelling and translating that ability to english, despite having not seen a single english character in the finetune. That specific example I’m thinking of is:
https://huggingface.co/TriadParty/Deepsword-34B-Base
Same with code. If you’re, say, working with a language it doesn’t know well, you can finetune it on a relatively small subset, combine with with a framework to verify it, and get good results, like with this:
https://huggingface.co/cognition-ai/Kevin-32B
Someone did this with GDScript too (the Godot Game Engine scripting language, fairly obscure), but I can’t find it atm.
Not that they can be trusted for whole implementations or anything, but for banging out tedious blocks? Oh yeah. Especially if its something local/open one can tailor, and not a corporate API.
Auto-writing boilerplate code doesn’t change the fact that you still have to reimplement the business logic, which is what we’re talking about. If you want to address the “reinventing the wheel” problem, LLMs would have to be able to spit out complete architectures for concrete problems.
Nobody complains about reinventing the wheel on problems like “how do I test a method”, they’re complaining about reinventing the wheel on problems like “how can I refinance loans across multiple countries in the SEPA area while being in accord with all relevant laws”.
I was an early adopter of No Man’s Sky (long before the shift in public perception), and I fucking loved it back then, and love it now as well. But admitting that in public a few years back was tantamount to saying that stapling your child to a rabid badger was a great alternative to hiring a babysitter.
I actually preferred the early days, I don’t like most of the recent updates and I haven’t played in probably a year. I can’t really explain why except now it feels too busy.
What is no man’s sky
A space exploration video game. It had a famously bad launch, because the director had over-promised on basically every single feature. It was massively anticipated because the director had hyped it up so much. And when it launched, players quickly discovered that many of the promised features were only half finished, or were missing entirely. The backlash was swift, but the company said they planned to keep working on the game.
And now many years later, the game is actually fairly solid, and basically meets the original promises. But at launch, it definitely didn’t.
Dude, next time use a healthy badger and you’ll only have to deal with blowback from NMS.
Rings of Power
While it is not perfect, a lot of criticism of the show is insane or plain dishonest. It became a playing ground for shit stirring and easy rage bait.
Death Stranding
The worst game I ever loved. Yes, the story and dialogue gets weird towards the end. Yes, Kojima keeps over explaining everything almost pathologically. Yes, I only played the Directors Cut, which I have been told reworked most of the game into a better state. And yes, I got PTSD from getting called after every single mission. But if you keep driving vehicles into terrain that obviously isn’t suited to be driven on, or otherwise try to bend the gameplay to your liking instead of accepting how it is supposed to be played, maybe you should play something else.
It took me a while, but I ended up really enjoying Death Stranding. One of the things that made it click for me was that I watched a video essay on a different game that used the playwright Bertholt Brecht’s V-effect as an analytical frame.
My rough understanding of it is that Brecht wanted to break the fourth wall and prevent audiences from identifying too heavily with characters, enabling them to better engage with the themes of the play; for example, if audiences end up identifying with a character who is a relatable asshole, then they might be less inclined to critically understand this character and the systems that facilitate their assholery.
Death Stranding invokes this with its absurd characters and setting. I never stopped finding it jarring when you have such silly character names and plots. This meant that for my first few hours of playing, I felt like I didn’t “get it”, and it seems like this is a fairly common reaction. However, this sense of “I don’t get it” is interesting because of how it primes you to search for something to get — some larger point that Kojima is trying to make with the game. If nothing else, I appreciate games and other media that have something to say, even if I struggle to grasp that message.
If I had to distill things down, I think the most prominent theme I understood was “Play is an essential component of human wellness, and it has tremendous capacity to facilitate building human connection”. I enjoyed how this was explored narratively through Sam’s interactions with various characters, but also through ludic means via the player interacting with other player build structures (I really enjoyed getting so many thumbs up for all the roads I built). Death Stranding sometimes feels pretentious, but I remember thinking “what’s more pretentious: the game that’s trying (and possibly failing, depending on perspective) hard to say something larger, or the player who regards the game with disdain”. Ultimately, I feel that the potential pretentiousness is neutralised by how earnest it is. Yes, it’s a very silly game, but that’s sort of the point.
Regarding Rings of Power, I absolutely hated the show, which sounds like a stronger opinion than what you hold. However, I completely agree that the discourse around the show is a trash fire of bad faith criticism that makes it impossible to express legitimate dislike of the show that’s based in honesty.
I love how some people criticize Kojima for beating you over the head with unsubtle themes, but then the other half of people are like “this game made no sense so I deliver packages and then people talk about ropes a lot and why are there hands everywhere”
Edit: just adding this on, of course Kojima is trying to reach as many people as possible with his art, even those with poor media literacy. But it only just occurred to me how that in itself is so reminiscent of Sam pushing to connect people, even the ones who are remote or obstinate.
Silent Hill: Homecoming was the first thing to come to mind.
It’s the only one I’ve really played and I thought it was great. I can understand how the Silent Hill community doesn’t like it, but I also believe they’re blowing their criticisms out of proportion to fit in with immature tantrum throwers.
Owning a pickup truck is pretty awesome, and I don’t think I’ll ever buy a different type of vehicle again.
Mentioning it online gets hate, but in real life people keep coming up to me, complimenting how nice it looks, asking questions about it, and kids give me thumbs up when I drive by. All of that is just a bonus on top of the fact that I love driving it and the way it looks - and that’s all that really matters.
How often do you haul stuff you need a truck for?
Asking the real questions.
Crucially, that wouldn’t be better carried in a van.
Huh? Vans typically get about the same shit gas mileage as trucks.
Are you paid by some truck company? Vans absolutely better carry. They also have cover, so the stuff you carry doesn’t get wet.
There’s covers for trucks too
Why does that matter though? A van is just as big and heavy with even worse visibility around you.
You’re aware that mirrors exist, right? And that vans also often have back windows? And that the visibility is actually worse with those big trucks?
Yer talkin’ bull, lad.
I use it for work so pretty much every single day but that’s besides the point. It would be awesome even if I had no need for one.
I was just curious. You mentioned just liking the truck enough that I wondered if it was more fashion or function. Nothing wrong with fashion of course, who wants to drive a vehicle they don’t like the look of? I have feelings about efficiency, but that’s your wallet, not mine.
I want to get a small truck for my wife (she’s always got a project going that would benefit from cargo space) but small trucks are tough to come by these days. I wish Rangers weren’t as big as F150s used to be.
Crazy watching you get downvoted for driving a pickup.
Most of the people on these forums live in major cities and don’t do any real work with their lives, so it’s understandable.
I guess I was mistaken for holding them to a higher standard.
Uh, nope. Lived in rural America. Most truck drivers are pavement processes who haul something maybe a handful of times a year. The vast majority.
There was not a shift from 30 years ago everyone driving tiny cars and hatchbacks to now where everyone became blue collar and needed a truck for work suddenly. It’s corporate marketing. Corporations can get around fuel standards by making trucks instead of cars, so they convinced everyone that having a truck was somehow necessary, and the good people of the USA gladly ate it up making the f150 the most popular vehicle on the roads followed by the other truck models.
Also, “most people
on these forumslive in major cities”. Ftfy. It wasn’t until I left my town in Iowa did I realize how many people there are. The entire population of thestate of Iowa lives in my one city.Yeah, you’re clueless.
Pickup trucks are useful for more than just work.
Insulting me doesn’t make it untrue.
Trucks are for hauling things and towing things. Again, the vast majority of truck drivers, and I’m not saying all, but the vast majority of people do not need a truck.
Most truck beds now are only a few feet long. Minivans and old school station wagons can store more in them then most modern trucks can. Why do you think Amazon and UPS use vans instead of pickups? Because they’re more efficient at hauling things.
Then even if you need to haul things and you choose to disregard the whole thing about vans having more cargo space, I ask how often? How often do you actually roll up to the home Depot and grab a while pile of lumber to take home that wouldn’t fit in a van? If it’s not once a week or more that you fill the truck, congrats you’re losing money on your truck. Truck rentals are about 20 bucks and haul my stuff just as easily back to my home, with the added benefit of them I’m not paying for gas and maintenance for this giant thing as my daily driver nor a huge car payment either.
Oh and proof of all of this? Crew cabs. The stupidest invention and absolutely proof it’s just marketing. “Hey we convinced you that you need a truck even though all you really need is a rental truck every once in a while, but oh no you have this family, where do they go? Don’t worry now you have five seats AND a shortened bed!”. They already solved that problem. Vans and station wagons. Can haul minimum 5 people and if you needed to haul shit you just folded down the seats, could fit an entire sheet of plywood in there.
Same goes for towing. If you own a boat I might get it, or again a trailer if you’re towing something regularly, then sure, you need the torque.
I would wager that 95% of truck owners do not actually need a truck.
How am I going to move an ATV in a minivan or station wagon?
Sounds like a job for a trailer
I invite you to read my comment again.
Same goes for towing. If you own a boat I might get it, or again a trailer if you’re towing something regularly, then sure, you need the torque.
Again though, I ask how regularly you do this. If you go out every week? Sure it makes sense, have a truck to carry them out every week. However, an ATV is light enough a cheap trailer attached to any number of vehicles would be able to tow it. If it’s monthly or less, then again, renting a truck is cheaper on the books, or again a cheap trailer is only a couple thousand.
Again, I grew up in rural America surrounded by truck people exactly like you. This is not some new opinion I gained a couple months ago. Do you want to keep trying to trip me up because I guarantee I’ve heard it all before. To date there are only maybe a small reasons I see to own a truck, and most of them involve some level of using it for blue-collar work.
It’s perfectly representative of the opinion asked for.
Getting down voted is hilarious, because we’re admitting “fuck you, this is actually awesome.”
Speaking as a Texan, I associate the worst of truck driving with “being an ass.” It’s not always true, but man, if someone’s gonna cut me off just to be a jerk, it’s usually a lifted abomination.
This though:
This is fine.
No, it’s magnificent.
That looks like a huge truck, there’s nothing small about it.
Its an old Ford Ranger:
The animation does make it look a bit wide.
That small red truck is a truck of a man who truly is masculine. Doesn’t give a shit what other people think, needs it to carry supplies, and didn’t want to waste any money.
Giant lifted trucks are the opposite of masculine. They’re for showing off, desperately trying to get people to notice them, they arely if ever haul anything (if they even can anymore with the lift), and they wasted huge amounts of money.
Funny that everyone agrees with this take when it comes to trucks, but if you apply it to clothing it is “toxic masculinity”.
I’m not even sure what you mean precisely, but men’s expressiveness through fashion is a bit squelched, yeah.
My point is that the same people who bemoan the lack of expressiveness in men’s clothing are at the same time defining masculine coding as being utilitarian in the context of trucks.
This incongruity is frustrating to me.
I dunno, chief. That “small” red truck is big as well. And the stuff in there will still get wet. Much more practical to have a van.
Oh completely agree - but if forced to choose between those two types of trucks I know which one I’d say is more reasonable.
I mean, sure, but I were forced to pick I’d rather bring both to the scrapyard and get a bike instead. Or a van, but yeah. Choosing the lesser evil over time will lead to the actually good options getting eliminated.
If it were a nice person inside and they just liked the ‘lifted’ style though, that’s one thing. I think there’s something to be said for auto personalization culture, like people do with jeeps and the Slate is trying to start up. I actually knew a really short girl who drove a lifted truck and simply thought it was neat, heh.
But usually, I wince in anticipation of what flavor of ‘macho’ is going to step out. Like you said perfectly, it’s usually not Hank Hill.
That’s neat you found a girl like that, but it is not the norm from my experience, as it looks like it’s yours too. I usually see a lot of angry men who are too eager to swerve lanes and show off how cool their truck (and by extension they) are.
I agree. I don’t need the truck part very often, but when I do, it is so nice. I got a BEV truck and it’s also stupid fast, especially for a truck. And it has outlets everywhere, 4x 110V 20A in the back plus a 220v 30A, and more 110V in the cab and the frunk! 130kWh of mobile power.
The suspension is sloppy, the tires are squishy. But I don’t mind that most of the time (I do wish the dampers were a just bit more aggressive).
I actually want to get a pick-up truck for furniture, not like one of these road monsters, but something reasonable, like a 2 seater with lots a bed space. Like an old Chevy or something.
Get a van instead. Don’t start becoming part of the problem.
Why not a van? Can typically carry more and keeps it dry.
Not a truck guy, but I’ve had enough vans to know that not having an open top REALLY reduces the potential of what you can put in the back.
Well, that’s clearly bull. They got the same space and on top of that, they provide cover. Opens up a lot more options for stuff that shouldn’t get wet.
And likewise, you can also park easier with them (they have back windows too). Plus, they are safer. If stuff sticks out of the car that’s a transport hazard right there.
Ok, but it’s clearly not. On more than one occasion, I’ve loaded up large appliances or furniture with a van only to learn that it won’t fit through the back hatch, or there are cubbies and curves inside that cut the corners. Even if you have plenty of empty space inside, you have to fit it through a smaller keyhole. I have been stuck with a half empty back and a tied down hatch because the opening wasn’t big enough to get the whole thing in.
With an open bed truck you can just drop the tailgate or drop it in from above.
I can tell you have a real hard on for vans, but just ignoring facts because they don’t fit your stance is ignorant. I’ve never even owned a truck, so I don’t care about defending their honor or any bullshit like that, but you have to give them credit where it’s due, and they haul like nothing else, even vans.
The number one reason I went with a pickup over a van is that it just looks way better. Vans are boring. But also that my pickup has a 4WD, low-range gear box and a diff lock which vans don’t. It also has a camper shell on it so stuff on the bed stays dry too.
Hah, you took the one part that makes a truck stand out from a van, and put a box over it making it a bad van!
My apologies for not consulting your opinion when building out my truck.
I agree with 95% of FuckCars. Cars should not be the default in our society. Cars are at the root of why our cities suck so bad. We need to do as much as we can towards walkability, bikability, and public transportation. Cars won’t go away completely, but they don’t have to be so prevalent.
The 5% where FuckCars goes wrong is people who don’t know anything about cars talking about cars. Their treatment of trucks vs vans is one of those. Vans are useful for trades, and so are trucks. Let the workers decide which one they prefer for their job.
Those workers usually don’t need an F150 the size of a small house. They don’t even want an F150 the size of a small house. That doesn’t mean a van is necessarily what they want.
Well, I’ve atleast got the two seater with a long bed so it’s barely adequate for what I need it for at work. It’s undeniable that a similar size Vivaro or Transporter would be more practical but I’m willing to trade some of that for a fun truck.
Pickup trucks in and of themselves as a concept is fine.
The issue I an many others have with them is that they have grown to large, even here in Sweden we have got infected by American pickup trucks that has their bonnet at the same height as my 2021 Seat Leon’s roof.
That is insane.
Get back to the size of 80-90s pickups, and I doubt you’ll get a many complaints
Exactly.
The crew cab with a laughable bedsize, hood as tall as the average person, and clearly unused off road tires is what is unreasonable.
A truck actually being used for work is totally fine.
I think those huge American trucks are cool too, but the size is more of an inconvenience than it’s worth, and they stand out and draw too much attention - which is a big reason I didn’t get one. I’m honestly surprised by how much attention even my ’07 mid-size Nissan gets, but luckily it’s all been positive.
What’s cool about an energy slurping vehicle that’s a danger to children and adults alike? It only serves to trick men into thinking their fragile tiny tick gets bigger with that car.
The bigger the car, the smaller the ego, generally. Better to just work on themselves and bicycle. That’s truly good.
Maybe they just like how they look
I agree 1000000% with this. Light duty pickups are amazing.
Nissan used to have a light duty pickup everywhere, even the US, called the NP300 Hardbody that slowly morphed into the bloated “Navara” - except for South Africa. Nissan used to have this very Africa-appropriate tiny light duty truck, the Champ. Stellar vehicle. They made the same exact model from 1971 to 2008, and then replaced it with the Nissan NP300 Hardbody. Both are solid metal deathtraps, can be fixed with wire and string, but they’re donkeys as well. Modestly sized and will just go forward (not too fast!) forever. Nissan never stopped making a light duty pickup because the Africa market demands it - something cheap and simple that carries and goes. No frills, not even good for a drive more than 4 hours because the seats are terrible.
And don’t get me started on the way Toyota ruined the Hilux. The only entity in the known universe that could destroy a Hilux was Toyota itself. Damn shame.
Everyone driving these giant monsters wouldn’t know a good economical work vehicle if it drove up to them and dumped a cubic meter of sand on them.
I like these answers that are actually divisive
The rise in pickups causes everyone’s insurance rates to go up because of the increased fatality of average crash now, they blow through our global carbon budget even faster, they make roads less safe for everyone, they drain your wealth away from your kids inheritance and directly into banks and oil companies. I know you love bankers more than transmitting generational wealth to your kids. Fuck them kids. The bankers need your money more.
Out of curiosity, why did you buy it? It’s so big and seems like a safety hazard for people, wasteful as well.
What would’ve convinced you to switch back to something else? Or what would convince others to do so?
Trucks are fun, 100%. Id love a small truck with a tow package, i don’t need a gigantic Ram child-flattener but having something versatile and tall enough to clear some obstacles is always nice. RIP that little Mazda i got circa 2007 for $500 with no working gauges and a fuel leak, when it felt like driving i loved it.
Honestly if those Slate (is that right? Im still half asleep) trucks take off I may get one
Just get a van instead, bro. They’re way more practical.
I literally have one, why does someone have to say that every time. There are reasons to have a truck.
I love my 99 ram and I can’t imagine having a bigger truck for every day use.
I love my Santa Cruz. I can get 40mpg highway if I drive it right.
Modern magic. We tricked crystals into thinking by drugging them and zapping them with electricity. Then we used those crystals to trick matricies into hallucinating by forcing them to guess the answer to math questions and smacking them when they get it wrong and kept doing that until they get it right. Ethics and hype aside, it’s pretty fucking wild.
What?
They’re talking about computer chips. We dug up rocks, melted them down, and extracted the parts we wanted. Then we engraved arcane and imperceptible runes on and inside of them, using an extremely expensive and delicate process. Then we trapped lightning inside of them, and told them to show us videos of cats.
Okay, when you put it like that lol
Computer silicon and transformer models
At first I thought you would talk about Magic the Gathering. My confusion increased with every sentence.
While there were some truly awful moments in the last season of game of thrones, danaerys’ arc was not one of them. Her going nuts was hinted at from the beginning and I wouldn’t have had it any other way.
Everytime a Targaryen is born, the gods throw a dice
If she didn’t like a system that existed, she wanted to burn it to the ground, a person, burn them alive.
Surely putting that person in charge couldn’t go wrong.
The problem isn’t the heel turn, the problem was that it happened on like 4 episodes. Rushed and lacked the time to show motive.
Of course a Targaryen would go insane in their lust for power. The game of thrones consumes everyone.
It just sucks that the show runners were like “and then she goes nuts and loses it all ok? The end. We’re gonna fuck off and make Stsr Wars now.” and it was so bad they even lost from Star Wars lol
See here’s the controversial take. I don’t agree with you at all. It was literally built up for the entire series and was the only natural conclusion. She was literally saying “I plan to break the wheel” from the start. That is not language a peaceful person uses. Her goals to begin with were those of a conqueror, and what we got was the natural end of that ambition when it crashes into reality.
I think it was done beautifully, and the fact so many people bought into her side of things and felt betrayed is evidence of how well done it was.
Twinkies. The perfect dessert.
