• YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    I don’t feel bad for those immorally underpaying and abusing the desperate and undocumented (maybe the vast majority of them?), but I kinda do for those who weren’t. It’s not so black and white, sometimes people are just more stupid than they are evil and fall for low level propaganda. We should strive to build a world that’s a bit more foolproof, IMO.

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      22 hours ago

      Immigrant labor abuse depends on what you’re farming. Corn and soybeans are ridiculously well automated and only need a few people to run hundreds of acres.

      Anything else? Needs teams of workers, and of course those are going to be abused immigrants.

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    16 hours ago

    There are actually a lot of democrat farmers. Most of their polls get really poorly represented by being lumped in with Agriculture Industry as a whole.

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      23 hours ago

      My tears are for those of us who either voted against it or didn’t get a choice (i.e. the rest of the world). Everyone else can use their own tears for lube while we’re all fucked.

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    All the farms around me are proud MAGA and some still have their ugly flags up still. I refuse to support any of them, but my neighbors will. I don’t hope for ill will since so much food will go to waste, but sometimes the only way MAGA people understand is when it hits their wallet and HARD.

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    I’m a farmer. I warned my neighbors. I’ve had two hardcore trumpers walk up to me nowon two separate occasions now and tell me to my face “you were right”

    I took no victory lap when either of them admitted it. The fact they admitted it was mind-blowing in and of itself. I didnt think they could ever be broken to admit it.

    My response, “we’ve got three more years of this bullshit”.

    We’re all in this together. But now you fucking understand.

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      17 hours ago

      Honestly I don’t think they actually understand. Ask them who they plan to vote for in the mid-terms.

      If they truly understand then they should never utter the word Republican for the rest of their lives.

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        You are probably right. But from personal experience with both of the people who admitted they were wrong, the huge dose of humble pie they ate to ever admit to me, that’s takes real effort. One sees it in his pocketbook. He may forget. The other sees it after a solid dozen of his employees have been deported after ice raids. He’s hurting in his pocketbook and in the personal relationships he has built with his employees.

        To be fair I’ve told these people that all farmers should be voting dem across the board, quite militantly, for years now. But guns and “Jesus” made them think I was a madman. I know and understand who’s blood and sweat our tiny world is built on,and finally they are starting to understand it. I hope it is a lesson that sticks. I’ll be doing my damned best to make sure it does.

        These are people that have fallen for propaganda. Decades of it. They aren’t bad. They are just stupid for not paying attention. We can fix that. Call it out but please don’t forget your empathy. I’m having a hard enough time as it is.

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          As a guy who grew up in farmland, still have family friends out there, I honestly am just tired of it all man and have gone full Robot Chicken Batman v Superman.

          Sorry but after hearing 30 years of handouts vs helping hand, listening to them moan about crop insurance, literally a social safety net, being too expensive and not getting them to connect the dots that climate instability is ruining your crops, I mean how the hell do you have so many bad years of winter wheat all of the sudden, and hearing “you’re one of the good ones”, no dude I’m your average American as are all of the others you complain about with inaccurate alternative facts.

          I’m just kind of all out of F’s to give. I just nod and say hi when I see people for the most part when I go home and just shake my head.

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          Reminds me of the idiom, “things have to get worse before they’ll get better” – one could say these people are suffering from an addiction to right wing ideology and from the perspective empathy is the wrong choice until they choose and remain on the path to face and overcome their addiction.

          I think that’s analogy can make the line clear for those who suggest we do anything that would enable working class republican’s political behavior.

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        17 hours ago

        They’ll pull another W. Bush era “republicans got us into this mess so we’re voting them back in so they have to fix it”. I still can’t believe how stupid Americans are.

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          I still can’t believe how stupid Americans are.

          believe it, never forget that the fascists are ‘stupid’ for the same reasons that nigerian prince emails are full of spelling and grammar mistakes

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      17 hours ago

      But will they vote for a Democrat next time? I hope so, but the cynic in me says fuck no they won’t.

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          I’m already getting blasted with ads for the heir apparent to replace Beto here in Texas. Some baby faced compromise that the Texas DNC has picked because of the fucking algorithm or something. Useless bastards all of them. All the Dems in deep red that I know are watching with waited breath for mamdami to win so we can use it as an actual example of what real policy ideals and ‘fuck the DNC’ effort can be. It’s a thousand miles away but that’s what we fucking need to show that these basic ass milquetoast candidates don’t work. Ann Richards hasn’t been relevant for thirty years but they keep trying the same goddamn thing. Fingers crossed they figure it out eventually.

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            14 hours ago

            They’re not gonna figure it out because their paycheck depends on it. The DNC — the entire party establishment — needs to have the baby thrown out with the bathwater if the average American has any hope of legitimate opposition to corporate dictatorship.

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      LOOOOL you think he is leaving in three years??

      …the only way that piece of shit is leaving the white house is feet first

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    37 minutes ago

    Farmers: Good thing Daddy Trump loves me or else he’d be hurting me, my family, and the country a lot more. I better vote for him again, so he knows to be on my side next time.

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    21 hours ago

    I’m pretty upset about it. I really don’t like seeing fields of rotting crops, and I don’t want all the farms sold to mega agrocorps

    It’s like an idiot ignoring your warnings and losing a finger. It just doesn’t feel good, and now there’s blood everywhere, and they’re not going to be the one cleaning it up

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      You’re absolutely right, it DOESN’T feel good to see so many people getting fucked like this. We SHOULDN’T have to see this in our lifetimes. We’re SUPPOSED to be better than this.

      But in this day and age, in this absolute clusterfucked circus of a timeline, some people are just so goddamn stupid, so deeply indoctrinated, and stubborn, and hateful, and all the other things we associate with modern Republican voters, that the unfortunate truth is that trying to talk to these people, and warn them of the consequences of their actions, just doesn’t work anymore. They don’t wanna hear it, and should you try to tell them, they either legitimately don’t understand, don’t give 2 shits, actively want it, or some combo of all 3 and more.

      And so the only option we have left is letting the idiot blow off his fingers with the firecrackers, while trying to contain the fallout, because at this point they simply will not learn, otherwise. It’s awful, and terrible, and a nasty way to deal with it, but when the people we’re trying to help and save are so adversarial towards anyone trying to help them… all you can do is wait for them to come to you.

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      if the idiot in question got your fingers cut off as well as theirs, I would take some pleasure in their pain. I’m not proud of that. it’s very corrosive, and it’s not good for my soul. but… it quenches my anger, somewhat. :/

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    23 hours ago

    Trump pulled this shit first time around. This is China Trade War 2.0. They had all the time in the world to think on their vote.

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      They don’t think. They’re told how to think by the billionaire propaganda machine, and by an evangelical pedophile every Sunday.