I’d use a grenade but you would have to have a grenade to get the grenade, first the scissors now this.
I was gonna buy more stuff but all the space in my basket was taken up by these stupid fucking boxes.
gernade protein bar details
https://www.grenade.com/products/oreo-protein-bar
Protein Blend (Calcium Caseinate (Milk), Whey Protein Isolate (Milk)), Milk Chocolate with Sweetener (20%) (Sweetener: Maltitol; Cocoa Butter, Whole Milk Powder, Cocoa Mass, Emulsifier: Soy Lecithin; Natural Flavouring), Bovine Collagen Hydrolysate, Humectant: Glycerol; Sweeteners: Maltitol, Sucralose; Palm Oil, Water, Fat- reduced Cocoa Powder (3%), Wheat Flour, Wheat Starch, Rapeseed Oil, Bulking Agent: Polydextrose; Sea Salt, Emulsifier: Soy Lecithin; Raising Agents: Ammonium Carbonates, Sodium Carbonates; Acidity Regulator: Sodium Hydroxide; Flavouring.
100g bar - 34g carb, 17g fat, 35g protein.
It’s quite the ultra processed treat! Palm Oil, Soy Lecithin, Polydextrose (A treat!) - yum
Magnets usually
Hammer or sometimes the keys to these are just a pattern of magnets.
Personally, I like a Halligan tool for this kind of work. I’ve opened a few doors and broken some windows with one. Never leave home without your Irons.
Pay for the bars and the cashier will open them
I feel like there is an easier option somewhere
Most optimal would be a hammer but anything from dropping onto ground to using your teeth.
Magnets
Ya and you can easily buy the tool for them on eBay or a normal strong magnet if you know it’s needed.
They seek to keep us weak
What the absolute fuck?
People on GLP-1s need to eat more protein. Because of this, everything now has added protein which has caused the price of whey protein to rise dramatically.
Those bars are probably anywhere from $2-4 each, so they’re targets for theft.
How do people afford GLP1s but can’t afford these bars?
I think they can’t afford the bars because they have to pay for the GLP-1s
I think it’s just marketing. Whenever I ask someone why he takes extra protein, the answer is almost always “for muscles to grow”. That’s not how protein even works. By not really doing anything and just taking extra protein, you build mass, not muscle, and now you see bunch of teenagers whose bodies look like 40 from behind and they just generally look fat, not strong.
Humans generally have enough protein intake to not think about it (last I checked, around 2.5% have deficiency, poor regions)
If you are stressed out with tense muscles all the time, increasing your protein intake makes your muscles grow. A bit crampy at times though.
Gas prices directly correlate to the price of dairy and its byproducts as well
I wonder how expensive those containers are in order to offset the loss
Like a dollar or less in bulk.
I think LPL has a video in these. All you need is a strong magnet to operate the latching mechanism from the outside
The best thing about this protein craze is almost everyone gets enough anyways and the body excretes excess protein so the cheapest and easiest way to get extra protein is to drink a gymbro’s piss.
This is so disingenuous, technically yes we do our bodies automatically shit off the cravings when we get enough.
but that protein is in such low concentration in the food we eat that we are forced to eat 15X the carbs we eat to get the proper protein.
that’s why McDonald’s with their nipple sized beef works so well it gives you just enough protein to make you think it is healthy and you have to order 15X the amount you need.
if you eat something with higher concentration of protein you won’t need the extra carbs your brain doesn’t know to stop eating not to mention the transfat and sodium and no fiber that comes with the bread.
Not to say this bar is that, it looks like it’s loaded with sugar aswell but proper protein powder is not.
Come on drink the piss bro.
That’s another thing the Gym bros absolutely should be eating the protein, even in excess.
when your body is growing muscle it needs to know it has a readily available supply of protein, the body won’t grow muscle if it thinks it cannot get enough resources to grow it.
and the extra protein isn’t simply pissed out it is burned for energy, the exact type of energy you need for lifting weights unlike carbs that take time to digest and build muscle while you sleep the extra protein goes into the energy you need for lifting the weights.
That’s because almost everyone eats too much (bad) stuff.
If you are on a cut, you have to select your food wisely in order to get enough protein while still maintaining the cut.
Also, it is wiser to eat too much protein than limit your gains due to a shortage in protein. Imagine working out and not getting the additional reward for the additional set because you eat too little protein.
That’s why you should drink the piss bro.
Its sterile and I like the taste.
I know this is all jokes, but just to stop the perpetual piss is sterile thing, it’s absolutely not sterile
Somehow bladder infections are a thing and people think your piss pouch can be simultaneously infected and sterile.
Yeah, a lot of people suffer from bladder infections. Would increase their life quality if it was indeed sterile.
Do people actually believe that?
Yup. I’ve heard people say this growing up. I also saw it on tv on a medical show. The doctor was operating on someone and pissed and when people looked at him in shock. He just said “What? It’s sterile. It’s just pee.” Or some shit like that.
People will believe anything if you repeat it long enough.
Yeah probably
If you’re older this is not true. Near all of the older people i know need protein supplemented.
My doc says I need to build muscle mass to fix my shoulder and protein helps so I’m one of the few who needs it and I don’t really buy into the craze.
I know you think you’re trying to make piss-drinking happen, but it’s not going to happen.
I’ve read this stated before and I don’t see how it’s true.
- us RDA is based on weight and we’re a fat country. It looks like I’d need to eat 5 chicken breasts/day. Unless there’s a lot of hidden protein in my diet, That never happens
- most of this is backlash against gymbro recommendation with much higher protein levels to build muscle, that’s not really evidence based. Sure the specific levels are questionable but it does makes sense that some amount more is better: maybe I need to eat 6 chicken breasts in a day if I started exercising . That also never happens
us RDA is based on weight and we’re a fat country. It looks like I’d need to eat 5 chicken breasts/day.
There is literature supporting this should be your ideal body weight rather then total weight for obese people (i.e. based on your non-fat mass)
A complicating factor is the guidelines are calibrated for people eating poorly digested non-complete proteins, must labels for protein are based on crude protein - a rough nitrogen estimate, not actual amino acid measurements. If your eating 100g of beef protein vs 100g of wheat protein you are getting very different levels of meaningful protein.
I did the math recently and I think that in order to hit what the WHO considers the minimum safe protein for my weight, I would have to eat WAY more, like twice what I typically do.
This may be a vegan-specific problem.
It’s not a vegan problem. It’s a food selection problem.
I’m vegan and I eat plenty of protein. More than most non vegans
It’s a vegan problem in that it can be a problem for vegans, not that it’s a problem for all vegans.
Sure. It can be a problem for anyone, including vegans. Vegan does not save you from bad food choices
Beans and lentils are your friend.
Lemmy needs to know the difference between protein and amino acids in diet. All plants are protein.
I try to teach people about protein and bioavailability all the time!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebig's_law_of_the_minimum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestible_Indispensable_Amino_Acid_Score
And a very handy tool - https://www.diaas-calculator.com/
While many plants have some amino acids, they don’t have enough of the right combinations to be biologically useful (liebig’s barrel). It’s dangerous to assume all plants are protein, because that is a measure of crude protein (nitrogen estimate) and not actually amino acid ratios. Make sure whatever plant your eating actually has a biologically meaningful diaas score.
They have protein but they’re mostly composed of complex carbs like starch, fiber, and cellulose. Their actual protein content varies but in general it’s much lower than legumes
If you’re vegetarian or vegan and don’t eat legumes, then you’re probably not getting enough protein.
If I may ask, what is your target grams per day of protein?
According to this calculator I should be eating 53g protein per day.
As someone who needs to lose weight, that calculator says my who minimum safe protein is 113 g/day. As a carnivore, I don’t see how I do this on most days.
I call bs on the claim that most of us get too much protein. Overweight people are less likely to and plant eaters are less likely to.
The muscle building community recommendations are based on insufficient evidence and are likely too high. I do believe those following them likely to get excessive protein their body can’t use but I don’t see how that generalizes to “most people”
As a carnivore, I don’t see how I do this on most days.
450g of beef/chicken per day (if you eat 3x a day thats 150g per meal)
As someone who needs to lose weight
consider low carb, its highly effective and can prioritize protein at the same time.
I don’t really think everyone who eats meat does three full portions a day
Fair, I myself only eat once a day, so there is a ton a variability out there. Most people probably eat 6-8 times per day (breakfast, snack, drink, snack, lunch, etc)… but 3 a day seems to be the commonly accepted “normal” pattern
It says I should be eating between 67 and 200+ g of protein, because of how much I exercise it should probably be like 150+ and I’m definitely not eating enough protein.
Drink Bean smothies
I know you’re joking but urine should not contain any protein in a healthy body.
So you choose option #2? 😂
You make a surprisingly salient point, sir
Uric acid wants to have a word.
Only the nitrogen is excreted. The body converts the rest into glucose then fat. So the excess protein in everything is literally making us fatter and more unhealthy!
So the excess protein in everything is literally making us fatter and more unhealthy!
Protein itself doesn’t spike insulin significantly, making it very difficult to gain fat on protein alone. A protein only meal wont drive weight gain. 1 - it’s very satiating so its hard to over eat (especially if the protein is combined with fat i.e. a fatty cut of meat). 2 - Even huge boluses of protein when people force feeding themselves don’t spike glucose.
What is driving weight gain is many people are consuming excessive amounts of carbohydrates, which spike insulin for 2-4 hours, which puts the fat cells in storage only mode. If someone is eating carb heavy proteins to hit their RDA, yes they will gain weight, but that isn’t the fault of protein.
🤣 I do it to keep weight on so what puzzles me is people who drink protein drinks to lose weight. My diet plan is pretty simple (it’s just a basic hierarchy of choices):
- eat the option with the most fiber
- that being equal, eat the option with the most protein
- THAT being equal, eat the thing with the highest polyunsaturated fat
- after that, eat the thing that tastes best and has the least uncomplicated carbohydrates
- eat the thing with the least trans fat
I usually don’t even get past #2 and very rarely past 3.
Protein makes you sated much more quickly than carbs, so a protein rich diet compliments losing weight.
also causes flatulence, lower gut mobility, skews the microbiome.
I have significant concerns about the protein diet fad and the increase of colon cancer in younger people.
Sugar should be avoided, but a balanced diet is important.
also causes flatulence, lower gut mobility,
As people with colostomy bags will show you (if you ask nicely) protein and fat do not make it into the intestines, and do not cause flatulence.
skews the microbiome.
This is true, the microbiome is highly adjustable, and will tailor itself to whatever food your consuming.
I have significant concerns about the protein diet fad and the increase of colon cancer in younger people.
If your talking about carnivore, please note that protein does not go up on a meat based diet, its the fat that increases. Take the standard macros (15% protein roughly) and replace the carbohydrates with fats.
As far as cancer goes, there is no credible link between protein consumption and cancer. https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/red-meat#cancer
Try cumin and other herbs like savory if you suffer from flatulence. If you don’t like cumin, eat it every day and increase the amount over time. The distinct flavor will decrease as your taste adapts to it.
Visceral fat is usually caused by protein deficiency, adding protein to the diet without any other changes to lifestyle or diet causes a reduction in visceral fat.
Visceral fat is usually caused by protein deficiency,
in cases of severe malnourishment.
I’m so done with the brah science in this thread.
No…
There’s numerous studies if you bothered to search. These off the top of the first search engine I try:
Huang G, Pencina K, Li Z, Apovian CM, Travison TG, Storer TW, Gagliano-Jucá T, Basaria S, Bhasin S. Effect of Protein Intake on Visceral Abdominal Fat and Metabolic Biomarkers in Older Men With Functional Limitations: Results From a Randomized Clinical Trial. J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 2021 Jan 8;76(6):1084–1089. doi: 10.1093/gerona/glab007. PMID: 33417663; PMCID: PMC8140050.
Merchant AT, Anand SS, Vuksan V, Jacobs R, Davis B, Teo K, Yusuf S; SHARE and SHARE-AP Investigators. Protein Intake Is Inversely Associated with Abdominal Obesity in a Multi-Ethnic Population. J Nutr. 2005 May;135(5):1196-1201. doi: 10.1093/jn/135.5.1196. PMID: 15867303.
CK, Cooper BC, Toth MJ, Gastaldelli A, Arabshahi A, Barnes S. Effect of a daily supplement of soy protein on body composition and insulin secretion in postmenopausal women. Fertility and Sterility. 2007 Dec;88(6):1609–1617. doi: 10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.01.061. PMID: 17412329.
Christie DR, Grant J, Darnell BE, Chapman VR, Gastaldelli A, Sites CK. Metabolic effects of soy supplementation in postmenopausal white and African American women: a randomized, placebo-controlled trial. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 2010 May 1;203(2):153.e1–153.e9. doi: 10.1016/j.ajog.2010.02.058. PMID: 20435291.
It’s very well established that increased protein intake reduces abdominal fat in pretty much every population
I’m curious about this, can you recommend a study you have actually read yourself?
To the best of my reading visceral fat is directly reduced by reducing insulin levels. Perhaps increased protein intake is associated with reduced carbohydrate intake, which can reduce elevated insulin levels? I’d love to see a study that separates out protein and carbohydrate consumption as variables.
Maybe good protein, though protein shakes are often going to come with extra calories and junk that most people don’t need to add to their diet anyways.
Especially if they’re using a milk base or adding chocolate/etc to make tastier shakes. It’s pretty damn easy to drink a surprising amount of calories. Milk can be more calories than beer by volume, for example.
Nobody should be drinking those to lose weight, because weight lifting to the point of needing extra protein is very much a way to gain mass, and doing both at once(gain mass and slim up) is extremely hard. Weight lifting being the most obvious way someone might actually need extra protein.
Other exercise, outside of extreme situations, doesn’t need extra-high protein intake, so it’s just excessive. Especially for lower intensity exercise that someone looking to slim up should be doing more of.
Also with how much extra junk a lot of those protein powders/bars/etc come with, it’s just ill advised. Sugar, cholesterol, carbs, etc. Some are really bad choices in general vs just eating a normal meal.
Losing fat is more about gaining muscle to increase base metabolism. Drinking protein shakes also causes a loss of visceral fat in the absence of any other changes
It’s not “more about” gaining muscle. It’s purely about burning off more energy than you eat. Sure, that’s easier with more muscle, but it’s WAY easier to not eat 200+ calorie candy bars than it is burning 200 calories off, even with muscle.
No one is saying eat 200 candy bars lmao
Correct, the 200 was the number of calories not the number of candy bars
Vegetarians and especially vegans need to either supplement protein or make sure to eat lots of protein-rich stuff like chickpeas or lentils.
They need to eat regular foods that have a regular amount of protein.
Someone trying to eat 2000 calories per day and hit 100 grams of protein (a pretty high target) only needs 5g of protein per 100 calories. That includes things like lentils and beans, sure but it also includes things like peanut butter or broccoli (6g per 100 calories). Things like bread or pasta or most other wheat products (3.5g per 100 calories) are pretty close to begin with.
A peanut butter sandwich has about 8g of protein from the bread and 7g from the peanut butter. That’s 15g of protein for 340 calories.
A slice of cheese pizza has 21g protein for 430 calories.
A can of beans has 25g protein for 420 calories.
A package of firm tofu has 32g protein for 280 calories.
Compare that to things like hot dogs (10g protein per 300 calorie hot dog), 80/20 hamburger (20g protein per 300 calorie serving), or breakfast sausage (11g protein per 270 calories), or bacon (10g protein per 170 calories), and it becomes obvious that trying to get 5g of protein per 100 calories isn’t that much easier with meat compared with dedicated processed high protein foods (whether meat based, dairy based, egg based, or other plant based) of supplements.
For most people, just eating normal is fine. For those of us who lift weights and might want to maintain lower body fat, it takes more work, but even omnivores will tend towards isolated dairy protein rather than eating meat willy nilly.
Funny how you completely left out (sweet)potatoes, paprika, carrots and other vegetables with as low as 2g of protein per 100kcal (which may make up a big portion of a vegans intake) and meat with 15+g per 100kcal.
Wheat products being pretty close to begin with sounds nice but it still means they are too low on protein and those definitely make up a large portion of most peoples calorie intake.
I know people who ate bread and spaghetti bolognese every day during uni, and just leaving out the minced meat would definitely drop them below recommended levels.
I get what you mean though, my comment was misleading, you probably wont have a deficiency when eating normally (which means diversely, so still paying attention), but I would still say it is way easier to hit the recommended levels with meat, they just dont need to think about it, most people eat way more meat than necessary anyway. Also, spending some time thinking about your eating habits and nutrition intake to get a balanced diet is way healthier than simply supplementing protein, I did not mean that thats what I recommend.
Funny how you completely left out (sweet)potatoes, paprika, carrots and other vegetables with as low as 2g of protein per 100kcal
Other than potatoes, those are all low calorie foods that are easy to just ignore when meal planning. You can eat a 2 kg (4.4 lb) bag of bell peppers/paprika, roughly 15-20 peppers, and it’s only 600 calories.
Wheat products being pretty close to begin with sounds nice but it still means they are too low on protein and those definitely make up a large portion of most peoples calorie intake.
They are definitely more than enough for most people. The example I used, of 5g protein per 100 calories, is a fairly tight example of a bodybuilder on a calorie restricted cut, and probably twice that of a person with more typical needs.
For someone who is physically active and has a higher caloric requirement, like a typical 180 lb (82 kg) athletic man, their maintenance calories are 2800 and their protein needs are around 100g (with health issues possibly showing up below 70g). If they’re actively bodybuilding they might need 150g of protein, but they’re also going to be physically active enough to have a higher calorie budget. And for most people, there’s no muscle building/retention benefit of getting more than 0.8g per pound (or 1.8g per kg) of body weight. Basically, the 5g per 100 calorie budget applies to a pretty narrow category of people who are trying to optimize for something specific rather than just people who want to live their lives.
And even for those vegan bodybuilders, it’s not that hard to just supplement with pea protein, eat some processed proteins (like tofu), not that different from omnivore bodybuilders who use lots of whey/casein protein isolated from dairy products. Or they can go get those protein supplemented pastas and breads and just eat normally.
For a normal 200 lb (91 kg) man who isn’t trying to be a competitive athlete, 80g of protein on 3000 calories is enough to stay healthy. So when budgeting 2.6g of protein per 100 calories, at that point things like potatoes and carrots and bell peppers are already staying ahead of the curve.
Obviously less choice makes things harder. But for people who are actively trying to optimize their diets for body composition, the supplements are useful regardless of whether you eat meat or not.
Wrong. Plants are protein. They eat some beans and grains that have lysine and methionine amino acids which are lower in plant proteins.
Those protein powders the brahs eat are from plants.
A lot of the bro powders use whey protein which is a dairy product.
Plants are protein.
Are you high?
Those protein powders the brahs eat are from plants.
This is plain wrong. Most protein powders are not vegan, especially whey protein which is said to be the most bioavailable.
Brah, All living life on this planet is made of protein.
All protein is bioavailable and digested into amino acids, which are then used to build human protein. Most plants lack methionine and lysine, which is abundant in meats, but also some plants. Those tubs you buy can have as little as 20% whey protein, the rest is from plants like soybeans.
I get that people are Joe Rogan educated and like to read the brightly colored plastic tubs, but a little biochemistry won’t hurt you, brah.
Its fascinating how much effort some people put into writing complete bullshit in a fancy way. Or maybe its a bot? Probably is…
But just to make sure noone parrots this bullshit: Carbohydrates, fat, minerals, water are all NOT protein and they make up a much larger fraction of most living organisms than protein. Just because most plants contains at least 1% protein doesnt mean it will satisfy the human need for it.
