cross-posted from: https://ibbit.at/post/52938

The company behind the Proton Mail email service, Proton, describes itself as a “neutral and safe haven for your personal data, committed to defending your freedom.”

But last month, Proton disabled email accounts belonging to journalists reporting on security breaches of various South Korean government computer systems following a complaint by an unspecified cybersecurity agency. After a public outcry, and multiple weeks, the journalists’ accounts were eventually reinstated — but the reporters and editors involved still want answers on how and why Proton decided to shut down the accounts in the first place.

Martin Shelton, deputy director of digital security at the Freedom of the Press Foundation, highlighted that numerous newsrooms use Proton’s services as alternatives to something like Gmail “specifically to avoid situations like this,” pointing out that “While it’s good to see that Proton is reconsidering account suspensions, journalists are among the users who need these and similar tools most.” Newsrooms like The Intercept, the Boston Globe, and the Tampa Bay Times all rely on Proton Mail for emailed tip submissions.

Shelton noted that perhaps Proton should “prioritize responding to journalists about account suspensions privately, rather than when they go viral.”

On Reddit, Proton’s official account stated that “Proton did not knowingly block journalists’ email accounts” and that the “situation has unfortunately been blown out of proportion.” Proton did not respond to The Intercept’s request for comment.

The two journalists whose accounts were disabled were working on an article published in the August issue of the long-running hacker zine Phrack. The story described how a sophisticated hacking operation — what’s known in cybersecurity parlance as an APT, or advanced persistent threat — had wormed its way into a number of South Korean computer networks, including those of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the military Defense Counterintelligence Command, or DCC.

The journalists, who published their story under the names Saber and cyb0rg, describe the hack as being consistent with the work of Kimsuky, a notorious North Korean state-backed APT sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department in 2023.

As they pieced the story together, emails viewed by The Intercept show that the authors followed cybersecurity best practices and conducted what’s known as responsible disclosure: notifying affected parties that a vulnerability has been discovered in their systems prior to publicizing the incident.

Saber and cyb0rg created a dedicated Proton Mail account to coordinate the responsible disclosures, then proceeded to notify the impacted parties, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the DCC, and also notified South Korean cybersecurity organizations like the Korea Internet and Security Agency, and KrCERT/CC, the state-sponsored Computer Emergency Response Team. According to emails viewed by The Intercept, KrCERT wrote back to the authors, thanking them for their disclosure.

A note on cybersecurity jargon: CERTs are agencies consisting of cybersecurity experts specializing in dealing with and responding to security incidents. CERTs exist in over 70 countries — with some countries having multiple CERTs each specializing in a particular field such as the financial sector — and may be government-sponsored or private organizations. They adhere to a set of formal technical standards, such as being expected to react to reported cybersecurity threats and security incidents. A high-profile example of a CERT agency in the U.S. is the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency, which has recently been gutted by the Trump administration.

A week after the print issue of Phrack came out, and a few days before the digital version was released, Saber and cyb0rg found that the Proton account they had set up for the responsible disclosure notifications had been suspended. A day later, Saber discovered that his personal Proton Mail account had also been suspended. Phrack posted a timeline of the account suspensions at the top of the published article, and later highlighted the timeline in a viral social media post. Both accounts were suspended owing to an unspecified “potential policy violation,” according to screenshots of account login attempts reviewed by The Intercept.

The suspension notice instructed the authors to fill out Proton’s abuse appeals form if they believed the suspension was in error. Saber did so, and received a reply from a member of Proton Mail’s Abuse Team who went by the name Dante.

In an email viewed by The Intercept, Dante told Saber that their account “has been disabled as a result of a direct connection to an account that was taken down due to violations of our terms and conditions while being used in a malicious manner.” Dante also provided a link to Proton’s terms of service, going on to state, “We have clearly indicated that any account used for unauthorized activities, will be sanctioned accordingly.” The response concluded by stating, “We consider that allowing access to your account will cause further damage to our service, therefore we will keep the account suspended.”

On August 22, a Phrack editors reached out to Proton, writing that no hacked data was passed through the suspended email accounts, and asked if the account suspension incident could be deescalated. After receiving no response from Proton, the editor sent a follow-up email on September 6. Proton once again did not reply to the email.

On September 9, the official Phrack X account made a post asking Proton’s official account asking why Proton was “cancelling journalists and ghosting us,” adding: “need help calibrating your moral compass?” The post quickly went viral, garnering over 150,000 views.

Proton’s official account replied the following day, stating that Proton had been “alerted by a CERT that certain accounts were being misused by hackers in violation of Proton’s Terms of Service. This led to a cluster of accounts being disabled. Our team is now reviewing these cases individually to determine if any can be restored.” Proton then stated that they “stand with journalists” but “cannot see the content of accounts and therefore cannot always know when anti-abuse measures may inadvertently affect legitimate activism.”

Proton did not publicly specify which CERT had alerted them, and didn’t answer The Intercept’s request for the name of the specific CERT which had sent the alert. KrCERT also did not reply to The Intercept’s question about whether they were the CERT that had sent the alert to Proton.

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Later in the day, Proton’s founder and CEO Andy Yen posted on X that the two accounts had been reinstated. Neither Yen nor Proton explained why the accounts had been reinstated, whether they had been found to not violate the terms of service after all, why had they been suspended in the first place, or why a member of the Proton Abuse Team reiterated that the accounts had violated the terms of service during Saber’s appeals process.

Phrack noted that the account suspensions created a “real impact to the author. The author was unable to answer media requests about the article.” The co-authors, Phrack pointed out, were also in the midst of the responsible disclosure process and working together with the various affected South Korean organizations to help fix their systems. “All this was denied and ruined by Proton,” Phrack stated.

Phrack editors said that the incident leaves them “concerned what this means to other whistleblowers or journalists. The community needs assurance that Proton does not disable accounts unless Proton has a court order or the crime (or ToS violation) is apparent.”

The post Proton Mail Suspended Journalist Accounts at Request of Cybersecurity Agency appeared first on The Intercept.


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    Proton is poisoned. Stop using it.

    They are not the alternative to mega technofascist companies. They are one of them. Everybody was hand-waving the Trump support, “well, that Andy guy isn’t DIRECTLY involved with this or that, so it’s fine” but it’s not.

    Stop using and stop recommending it.

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    Everything is now paywalled and absolutely none of it is worth jumping through the extra hoops to read. That said, thanks for posting the content in here.

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    Finally broke down this week and moved to Tuta mail, but I almost gave Proton a trial run first. After Yen’s last fumble, I felt the need to dodge a bullet. What timing.

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        great value

        So help me god if you recommended a paid email service as a replacement for a free one…

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          Were we talking about free ones? Sorry didn’t know that, and anyway Migadu is cheap as heck. (My use cases are always to use a custom domain)

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        +1

        I’ve used them for a few years now using my domain. It’s no nonsense and well structured. Eventually, I’ll just self-host, but this is a good option if you don’t have a reliable means to host or just want to get your feet wet before fully self-hosting. The $20/yr plan has been perfectly adequate for my needs.

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      Mailbox,formerly mailbox.org

      Tuta,which is often recommended, is sadly another vendor lock in while mailbox is using industrial standards.

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        They’re good. Some policies take some getting used to, though. For example, they lock your (free) account if you don’t use it for six months. You have to start paying if you ever want that email address again (emails are lost AFAIK).

        Happened to me after a serious illness. I don’t mind paying, but that soured it so badly for me.

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          Same, can’t trust them if they can’t provide sustainability, 6 months might sound too long until you are hit by some illnesses which spiral into financial and mental burdens and months start passing like days.

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          I do agree it’s not as pretty as Proton but the encryption once it reaches your account is much better and I feel like they are more upfront about what they are and aren’t. Really my main grype with them is there lack of GPG support.

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    The reality is the only option you’ll have (for those asking for alternatives) is self hosting, if you’re worried about things like this. Eventually one of them may get compromised or emshitified.

    Tuta, for example, is in Germany. All it takes is one election where the AfD wins and now Tuta is compromised. Either you’ll be hopping around continuously, or you settle for the best possible option, or you self host.

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      Proton immediately froze my account, I am on some brazillian blacklist from my ip somehow, no way to ask for them to allow it anyway there like at tuta.

      Those are the only 2 I could find that are acceptable. I do not want linked phone, do not want to be locked out of email if I lose phone or service.

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      Doesn’t self hosting email usually just get you flagged as spam nowadays? I seem to recall Cory Doctorow talking about it.

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        There are ways you can both make your emails adhere to certain standards that make them look better and “warm” your account so Gmail and Outlook decide to trust it.

        I won’t directly mention how in this thread because SEO agencies LOVE abusing this to self host massive link building spam networks to save a buck on buying Gsuite accounts, but it’s indeed possible.

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      Because email is federated self hosting doesn’t matter.

      Sure you aren’t going to lose your email but 90% of it is going to be hosted by Microsoft/Google so those companies can block your email and it’s akin to being frozen.

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    The author omitted the complete statement from Reddit:

    Hi everyone,

    No, Proton did not knowingly block journalists’ email accounts. Our support for journalists and those working in the public interest has been demonstrated time and again through actions, not just words.

    In this case, we were alerted by a CERT that certain accounts were being misused by hackers in violation of Proton’s Terms of Service. This led to a cluster of accounts being disabled.

    Because of our zero-access architecture, we cannot see the content of accounts and therefore cannot always know when anti-abuse measures may inadvertently affect legitimate activism.

    Our team has reviewed these cases individually to determine if any can be restored. We have now reinstated 2 accounts, but there are other accounts we cannot reinstate due to clear ToS violations.

    Regarding Phrack’s claim on contacting our legal team 8 times: this is not true. We have only received two emails to our legal team inbox, last one on Sep 6 with a 48-hour deadline. This is unrealistic for a company the size of Proton, especially since the message was sent to our legal team inbox on a Saturday, rather than through the proper customer support channels.

    The situation has unfortunately been blown out of proportion without giving us a fair chance to respond to the initial outreach.

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      So, if say, Saudi Arabia’s CERT tells them to block a list of reporters accounts, they will gladly do it without demanding any evidence?

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        You block then investigate yes.

        Just like every other company in existence does it, since the first thing you want to do is stop continued spread/misuse.

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          You’re also arrested when suspected of a crime. If it turns out you were innocent, they will let you go.

          First response: stop everything to prevent possible malicious/criminal activity. Then investigate to see if it was the right call. If it was, nice. If it wasn’t: “sorry bud, just doing our jobs. Have a nice day.”

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            Imo this is more akin to a TRO/injunction, you gotta pause it for a second to see if everything checks out before everything goes to shit

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          I may be wrong here, but does it really make sense when you can’t actually prove the misuse did or did not happen? Say, you suspect phishing, then it’s a matter of inspecting a few next e-mails to/from non-proton users to decide if it’s likely happening. On the other hand, when the account is blocked, proton (as long as the claims about at-rest encryption are true) has no way of verifying the claim, since, as far as I’m aware, a user can’t provide them with what they’ve sent even if they wanted to.

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        Or us admin sees reporters on a story, or asks for comment before publishing, they hack their accounts or claim whatever and get them shut down.

        Old rules of journalism will not work going forward in all cases. Might need more anonymous authorism with third party asking for comment.

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      Still shows that Proton suspended the accounts because some CERTS told them to. That’s not a court order.

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        Yeah I mean what’s the alternative? Just allowing ALL Proton accounts to continue to be abusive until proven otherwise? How do you think that would impact not only the company but also the users/customers of that company? They were temporarily suspended, and reinstated after investigation.

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          They were temporarily suspended, and reinstated after investigation.

          Would this sequence of events have happenned if it was an average joe nobody cared about, rather than a public outcry?

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            I don’t know. But I don’t think there’s any legitimate reason to rule that out.

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              Fair enough, I can’t prove that it would be different so my argument isn’t a hard argument at all.

              But personally, I do strongly suspect Proton’s reaction would be very different, or at least very variable. If you look at their subreddit, half of the time people report they do an amazing job and help them… and half of the time they do incredibly user hostile things. A coin toss, basically.

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                Can you provide an example of “user hostile things”? Other than complying with law enforcement as little as humanly possible?

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                  Users paying for the Unlimited or even the lifetime subscriptions, that were sold under the promise of all access to their services, now need an extra subscription to use their new LLM chat box, Lumo. Which is just a very bad wrapper around Mistral, messing up simple tasks like properly rendering Markdown for mathematical formulas.

                  Linux users, despite being a very important part of their user base, have zero official tools for Proton Drive syncing. No problem, because Proton Drive supports Rclone, right? Well, support was removed for no good reason and with no official explanation, leaving Linux users limited to the very problematic and slow web UI.

                  Proton Mail users frequently have their accounts locked for no reason whatsoever, other than vague statements about the ToS.

                  More examples needed?

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          In the past Proton stated that they only act on claims from legitimate law enforcement with a court order. Now they acted on some organizations request. If Protons own mechanisms for detecting malicious use trigger, yeah, they should suspend the account and investigate further, but not from a third party that has zero authority.

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            They weren’t acting based on law, they were acting out interest for themselves and their users. Letting people use Proton accounts for nefarious interests doesn’t benefit anyone.

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      Classic damage control.

      Our team has reviewed these cases individually to determine if any can be restored.

      Would they have done this if there wasn’t a public backlash? I would bet money the answer is no.

      We have now reinstated 2 accounts, but there are other accounts we cannot reinstate due to clear ToS violations.

      What were the TOS violations?

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        Would they have done this if there wasn’t a public backlash? I would bet money the answer is no.

        You can’t really do more than make a random claim here. I could counter it by saying “I would be money the answer is yes. but that’s just as useful a statement.

        What were the TOS violations?

        If you’re expecting a laundry list of email addresses and each individual violation, you’re not likely to get that from any company.

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      The review only happen AFTER Phrack publicly complained on Twitter about it and a 150k people saw it, not before.

      This is not the first time Proton drops the ball massively and then spins a tale to save their name.

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        it’s in the reply they copied

        Regarding Phrack’s claim on contacting our legal team 8 times: this is not true. We have only received two emails to our legal team inbox, last one on Sep 6 with a 48-hour deadline. This is unrealistic for a company the size of Proton, especially since the message was sent to our legal team inbox on a Saturday, rather than through the proper customer support channels

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        You can blame them for being slow but I don’t think you can reasonably assert that they’re malicious, which I think is the implication.

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          The important thing to me is not maliciousness, but reliability under political , social and legal pressure.

          All of this is hard to understand, much of what is happening is opaque.

          Also this does not apply to all people. Depending on hundreds of variables, one person’s issue is not relevant to another.

          I am in a country that can exert legal pressure on them; and so I cannot use their services

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            There’s no legal pressure here. Just a request. A request that it makes sense for them to respond to, for the sake of their own users.

            What service do you think isn’t subject to legal pressure? Because I guarantee they are. Every country complies with international court orders to some degree. Proton only complies with the law as far as they absolutely have to. They often successfully challenge these court orders as well. Switzerland is as good as it gets. That’s why it’s such a big part of their advertising. They’re notorious for this.

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              Under USA law proton cannot reveal some requests, or even talk about deeper collaboration.

              This is why some services use canaries. When something is removed from a page it can be assumed they are under a gag order. This has happened many times ,see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary

              By and large political opposition in an authoritarian country should not use tools under that jurisdiction.

              I would definitely base my email outside of that influence.

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                  They now have offices in the USA and if you look at what they say, they announce their operating under Swiss and USA law.

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    who could have predicted that the company run by the guy who cozies up to authoritarians would work with authoritarians.

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        I was happy with Proton. Until I was not. Tuta might be fine today… what happens in two years?

        For email, honestly, it’s a major fucking pain in the ass, but simply buy your own domain and learn how to host it in an agnostic way you can migrate if needed. But just to emphasize: yes, self hosting email sucks tremendously, I know.

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          I appreciate the question; personally, though, I think tuta is threadbare enough that giving in would honestly be a deathknell. Proton drops in privacy, they can still advertise as “better than google,” and has the userbase to survive any drop in users. If tuta follows suit, at what point are they stuck as just worse proton?

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    So the shoe finally drops!

    I have been mocking Proton users for years now. Buying privacy from a corporation that openly cooperates with governments was asinine.

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      No company is gonna have it’s staff go to jail for your 5 bucks a month man, if the government is after all you can only depend on decentralized services.

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      Anyone who genuinely thought that privacy was going to be perfect was an idiot. But they’re going to be better than Gmail and they are. The only way to achieve any type of true privacy would be to start up your own Data Center , run your own email , and then be the one that’s dealing with the government knocking on your door. Have fun with that.

      Put frankly privacy on the internet does not exist and anyone that thinks it’s achievable on the modern internet is honestly an idiot. We can only select the least shitty option there is no good option. And the problem is even that is a moving Target I’m not going to keep changing my email provider every couple years to whatever the new current popular privacy option is.

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        Everything related to privacy and security requires as a fundamental premise that you select your threat model. Who are you? What data do you want to protect? From whom, and how bad would it be to fail?

        Most people skip this step, and then keep acting either surprised or over/under reacting to any given news. There are people out there that can’t use email - regardless of who hosts what. There are people out there that would be fine with Gmail.

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          I use Google suite. Use it for work stuff, general bullshit. Works great. None of the data going over it is of particular import (to me).

          There are things that I believe require a better handling, and they’re handled differently, all the way up to physical media.

          It just might be naive, in this day and age, to think a company won’t cooperate with authorities. Yes, there are exceptions, but they either fear repercussions or they were never built well enough to keep authorities out in the first place.

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      Small shoe.

      My perception of Proton was never that users would be kept safe from governments, but that users would be kept away from advertisers.

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    Tuta is German so it cannot be trusted since Germany is on the brink of fascism. supposedly can’t search message bodys in tuta either.

    Proton is, well, proton.

    Self hosting gets blocked everywhere. Since I have my own domain, I’m finding even my Proton address gets blocked a lot.

    So wtf am I supposed to do? Has the industry been successful in corporatizing and controlling email now?

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        This.

        I use my own email domains for more than a decade, the only time I got blocked was because the website didn’t allow “.dev” domains yet (it was very recent at that time). But my .info goes everywhere.

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      I have little to no background in IT or CS, but I always wanted to set up networks with those Ubiquiti antennas that can broadcast out a few kilometers. I got a buddy who just happens to be a few kilometers away. We could set up our own private, albeit incredibly limited, internet. Outside of that, if you’re using a utility or a service, you can’t expect your info to be locked up right. And so you need to keep certain shit offline, or use a HAM radio, or some other kind of private network for broadcasting, which is not feasible. But it would be neat.

      Could always have a really long string with cans on either end. Can’t tap that phone.