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    • “Up to…” when used to describe things like internet speeds
    • “Wholesome” when used to describe food. Not really a lie, per se, but “wholesome” has absolutely no meaning when it comes to nutrition and just sounds good
    • “Zero calories” or 0 grams of [blank] in the nutrition information. The regulations let them round down if it’s less than 1 gram standard unit of measurement for that item (edited from grams).
    • Any time you see “free” there’s always at least an implied asterisk
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      “Up to” in terms of anything. Up to inherently also contains zero.

      In regards to free, I’ve found that a general rule of thumb is that the larger, the bolder, the more differently colored, the more drop shadows added, the shinier, or the more 3D looking the word “free” is, the less free it will actually turn out to be.

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        “Up to” in terms of anything. Up to inherently also contains zero.

        I feel exactly the same way about “a fraction of” especially when it’s “a fraction of the price”, because 99/100 is a fraction, as is 100/100.

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      The “zero calories” is a US thing, in the EU manufacturers are required to show nutrition per 100g. They can add percentages and serving sizes if they want, but per 100g or 100ml is required, so you can calculate your own serving sizes easily.

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        you can calculate your own serving sizes easily

        You haven’t met the average American have you?

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      • “Zero calories” or 0 grams of [blank] in the nutrition information. The regulations let them round down if it’s less than 1 gram.

      For example, take a look at the “Serving size” of some cooking spray. 1/3 of a second of spray means 0.25g… So everything is zeroed out in the Nutrition facts.

      Tap for image

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      • “Zero calories” or 0 grams of [blank] in the nutrition information. The regulations let them round down if it’s less than 1 gram standard unit of measurement for that item (edited from grams).

      A particularly egregious example is TicTacs, which are labeled as having 0 calories despite being almost pure sugar. The practice is also very common with alternative sweeteners, which have fewer calories than regular sugar but far from 0.

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      I think “natural” was determined in court to hold jo required quality, or be free from artificial, man-made or modified elements. So wholly opposite the standard meaning of the word.

      They always come for language first.

      “Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth.”

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    Stainless steel. Because the common understanding of stainless is not what the stainless in stainless steel means.

    Organic foods. Obviously this varies by location, but there are no universally standardized and enforced definitions of what it means to be organic that it comes close to being meaningless. You’d be surprised at what “organic” growers can get away with.

    Genuine leather. It’s so misleading it’s pretty easy to argue that it’s essentially a lie.

    20% off. When it’s the same cost as it was last month, you just upped the price, then put it on sale, so that in the end it evens out.

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      Genuine leather is not a lie.
      It’s leather that’s so low quality, the only positive thing you can say about it is that it’s actually leather.

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        Genuine leather is leather in the same way that an egg taped to a box of Betty Crocker cake mix doused in a cup of oil is a cake.

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        “genuine leather” is often reconstituted leather, that is leather scraps ground up and bound together with a binder, like MDF.

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        We live in an age where something actually being what it is is a surprise.

        • Chocolate (often brown sugar paste)
        • Ice cream (often frozen oil)
        • Social media (often antisocial or parasocial)
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          I’ve seen recycling labels that indicate the only part that’s recyclable is the recycling label itself.

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      Part of the problem with stainless steel is that it’s not a singular material. It’s an entire galaxy of alloys with a huge range of properties, and some are more corrosion resistant than others. It is certainly possible to concoct some alloy that is for all intents and purposes absolutely rustproof but it’s unlikely to have the other mechanical properties you need for whatever it is you’re doing.

      If you’re looking at any object (probably a knife, or maybe a sink or faucet fixture) that simply declares itself “stainless steel” but the manufacturer refuses to admit which alloy even if you press them in a vise, that does indeed usually mean you’re looking at some junk. Low chromium and low nickel stainless alloys are the least corrosion resistant but all other things being equal are also typically the easiest to cut, machine, stamp, or otherwise work into shape.

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      “Organic” especially pisses me off when applied to honey. There’s no such thing as organic honey. Bees have a range of three miles or more, and they will forage on whatever they like.

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      Organic foods is just an excuse to charge you more so long as they make you feel better to know that it is organic.

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        Certainly not all organic foods, but yes, it’s often enough that I don’t fault you if that’s how you feel.

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      From Wikipedia:

      Organic agricultural methods are internationally regulated and legally enforced by transnational organizations such as the European Union and also by individual nations, based in large part on the standards set by the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements (IFOAM),[20] an international umbrella organization for organic farming organizations established in 1972, with regional branches such as IFOAM Organics Europe[21] and IFOAM Asia.[22]

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      Genuine leather.

      Is this not as opposed to fake leather (plastic)? They could just say that it is leather or real leather, but that does not sound as fancy.

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        It’s actually a technical term disguised as common language.

        Most people think genuine means “as real as you can get”. Which is true in everyday language.

        But when it comes to leather, “Genuine” is a quality grade that means “The lowest quality of leather that technically includes actual animal hide.” Usually it’s bits and pieces glued together.

        Consider it the hot dog of leather.

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          I am pretty sure that “bits and pieces glued together” is the grade directly below it known as “bonded leather”. I think “genuine leather” is the first grade that is real leather. It just isn’t actually very good leather.

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    “Up to”

    It is a company’s often-used and workaround way of saying “we’re not promising you shit” right upfront. If an ISP decides to give you 20MBps and they say ‘up to’ 50? Guess what, you’re getting that variable 20 - 35 at best connection, not the full 50 or even 49.

    Any value that a company puts those two words up against, always expect you’re getting lesser than advertised. It’s a subtle sneaky bullshit lie that is right infront of your face.

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      Huggies diapers fucking say “up to 100% leakproof” on the box.

      I just want to see a picture of the face of the person that thought that was reasonable.

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        Kids can pee a lot and there’s only so much liquid you can absorb with a reasonable amount of material. Seems like a valid use of that phrase to me

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      It’s impossible for an ISP to guarantee speeds though, because it’s not just their connection that’s being used.

      Do they use this to weasel out of reasonable expectations of connection quality? Yes, absolutely. But they also can’t do anything about the speed of the server you’re downloading from.

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    I signed up for the “ad free experience” on Amazon.

    Picked a movie, popup says “this feature is not available ad free”. Cancelled

    How is this legal? Oh yeah, Bezos was on the stage clapping with the other robber barons.

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      Amazon was just successfully sued because of the ads in Germany. It wasn’t legal in the first place to enable ads on the lowest tier.

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      I gave up sailing the high seas during the golden age of streaming. Unfortunately it has already come to an end with the majority of streaming services including ads for their highest tier.

      I have wasted so much of my life on watching commercials, I refuse to waste anymore.

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        I have wasted so much of my life on watching commercials, I refuse to waste anymore.

        This, 100% this.

        Every streaming I have I pay the few extra bucks for ad free. Keep that fucking garbage out of my house.

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    A “family size” bag of Doritos is not sized for a family. Or I on my own count as a family.

    “Military Grade” is not the flex that civilians think it is.

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      A “family size” bag of Doritos is not sized for a family. Or I on my own count as a family.

      It’s enough for a family because the portion sizes are like 4 chips.

      Military grade

      This one is funny to me because the military commonly goes with the lowest bidder. So I take it to mean that “military grade” is absolute garbage made by the lowest bidder.

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        How many chips are you guys eating? There’s enough chips in those bags for several normal sized portions of chips. You’re not supposed to eat them until you’re full

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        Not only that, but the US Military runs on state-of-the-art logistics. This means that military equipment can, and often is, incredibly high maintenance because you’re never far from a base that always has everything you need to keep it operational. In this environment, there’s no need to make anything super robust and reliable, so… they don’t.

        How state-of-the-art are we talking? Well, let me introduce you to forward-deployed Burger King.

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      Tbf, a family-sized (now party-sized) bag of Doritos does contain a day’s worth of calories (2250) for a single person. I can’t keep them in the house, they call to me.

      I miss the old military surplus stores. 2/3 of the stuff was cheap crap, but every now and then you’d find something insane. I had this flat periscope, it was designed to go up through a slot on the roof of a tank. You could easily stand on it, and it wouldn’t have broken.

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        I mean yeah but who eats a whole family size bag in a day? I know most people eat more than the serving size, but whole bag in a day?

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          Ohh, no, i wont’ say that :)

          When I was in my 20’s I’d eat a whole bag and 2 two-liters of diet mountain dew in a day :)

          I’m just saying, portion sizes are probably correct and it’s the american diet that’s in the wrong :)

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      Cereal is worse. I used to get regular sized. Then I got family sized. Now I try to hold out for “mega sized” for myself

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        “Military grade” means “made by the cheapest contractor available, using sub-par materials, to juuuuuust meet the bare minimum requirements set by the government”.

        It’s like when housing developers advertise that all of their houses are “built to code”. Congrats, building code is the bare minimum requirement for the house to be considered habitable. It needs to be up to code to be able to sell. Someone advertising that a house is “built to code” is saying “we would build this worse if we were legally allowed to do so, but the law says we weren’t allowed to cut any more corners and still pass an inspection.”

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      A “family size” bag of Doritos is not sized for a family.

      It should be the size of a family.

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    No artificial flavors

    “Natural” and “artificial” flavors are determined by how they’re made/obtained, not by what the ingredient itself is. You can have the same ingredient labeled as either artificial or natural.

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      Like “Natural strawberry flavor”. Made by cooking wood shavings in alcohol. No strawberry was harmed in the process.

      Or like Sebastian Lege did it in one of his shows: He mixed a number of acids to make “Banana Flavor”. Or when he talked about “natural smoke flavor”, which is a byproduct of producing charcoal, and the company he visited claimed they produce several thousand tons a year…

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    “No preservatives” - Sugar is a preservative. Salt is a preservative. Vinegar is a preservative. Lemon juice is a preservative.

    “Sugar-free” - but they add alternative sweeteners that have a range of other health issues associated with them.

    “Cholesterol-free” - I once saw this on a juice container and had a laugh.

    What people don’t realise is that with food formulation, what you take out, you have to put something back in to replace it. A low/no sugar product will likely be higher in something else like fat to make it a palatable product… So labels make claims on some things, but will purposely not mention the others.

    Edit: Yay! 100th comment!

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      Cholesterol-free is such a bullshit label anyway because dietary cholesterol doesn’t do anything special to your own cholesterol. You are not a chicken and the egg yolk will not go directly to your bloodstream. Your blood has human cholesterol that you made yourself from the rest of the sugars and fats you ate, digested, converted, stored, and reeconverted.

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          I give “gluten free” a pass because it’s not always obvious. Some people do have very severe reactions and some products do, unsuspectingly, contain gluten in the form of filler content or for some other mechanical use. Sausage is specifically known to use wheat product as filler and binder. Same for deli meats and veggie burgers. Some places will even throw breadcrumbs into their ground beef for burgers to fake it’s tenderness, so it crumbles like a meatloaf would.

          Then there’s seasonings. Potato chips are made from potatoes, right? But not all chips are potato chips. You’d hope a gluten-issue person would be able to identify pita chips or bagged crackers from the chips selection would have gluten, but it turns out, despite being a corn chip, Dorito dust can affect gluten sensitivities. Soy sauce and malt vinegar are issues, and seasoning mixes use flour to help distribution

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            Oh, and processing aids. That’s another kettle of fish. Same with things that are added and then taken out, or vice versa, as long as they are the same amounts, they don’t have to be on the label unless it’s an allergen. (Australia)

            I’m always wary of places that cook or bake their own food, especially home businesses. They don’t have the money to pay an accredited food lab to do their labels and testing for them. I’ve done my share of food label auditing, and I’ve seen some pretty shocking things.

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            Sausage is specifically known to use wheat product as filler and binder.

            That is actually illegal in my country.

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      “Nitrate free! *except for that found naturally in the shitload of powdered celery we put in there”

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      “Sugar free” is such a red flag, you know they are going to go crazy with the artificial crap. I try to eat less sugar but the same goes for alternative sweeteners, plus I can’t stand the taste of them. I look for “Sugar free” so I know not to buy it, that shit’s going to be disgusting.

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        most of the brand names one uses aspartame. some sugar gree gum, mints use omstly xylitol. some non sugar sweeteners actually contain sugar in it, they try to be deceptive by labeling it dextrose, or maltadextrin.

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    Indestructible or tough dog toys. My boy will have that in pieces, 15 minutes or less guaranteed

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        I was in a PetsMart and I swear they had regular ass sticks that they found outside with $5 price tags on them. You could literally walk 10 steps out of their front doors and find the same thing for free.

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        My fucking big goofy dumball of a dog will continuously get sticks stuck in his mouth from trying to chew of them vertical instead of horizontal and its bad. He’ll walk up all happy and just drip blood on my lap with his mouth stuck open. One time we came inside and didn’t realize until like 30 minutes later that he had a big twig stuck in there, he was happy as can be .

        I love that dog and he loves sticks

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      Indestructible toys are a catch 22, anyways. I found a couple of toys my old bud couldn’t destroy but he got bored of them very quickly. All of the satisfaction comes from the destruction.

      We just started getting him soccer balls from 5 Below. Cheap enough and big enough to last a little longer.

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      Only two things ever last in my house. Beef femors and nylahide chewable. Everything has a lifespan of minutes.

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        Same with my dog but hes not interested in the nylon or femurs, probably because he can’t figure out how to tear them apart.

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          Same. They dislike them at first but they get bored with them quickly. I don’t mind them shredding toys as long as they don’t eat them.

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      “Deodorant” itself, it’s just perfumes to mask the smell for a bit. What you want to prevent sweating is antiperspirant

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        By applying a chemical precipitant that clogs sweat pores and backs up sweat fluids under the skin.

        Just bathe.

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          Some of us live in hot climates. Without deodorant, I stink bad enough to smell myself by around noon.

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          Just bathe.

          Spoken like someone who lives in a cold dry climate. I could bake cookies inside of my car in the summertime, and it is regularly well above the safe wet bulb temperature for human tolerances, even in the shade. You walk outside, and it feels like you’re breathing hot swamp-flavored fog. Bathing alone isn’t enough in those circumstances, because you’ll be a sweaty mess by the time you get to work anyways. Bathing is important, but you also need something to stop the sweat from immediately making you stink again.

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          Maybe some people have problems with their pores, but most people don’t. The hype and fear around antiperspirants is a bit overblown. As with everything, excess is never good but it’s also not going to like, turn your sweat pores into little overinflated water-balloons ready to spray pit-juice on unsuspecting bystanders…

          “Just bathing” is fine, for about an hour or two, some people have worse problems with BO and need more than a shower or bath to combat it all day long.

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          I hate public places because people just smell so bad. You should bathe more and clog the damn pores, you all reek

          Edit// And yes I’m autistic and hyper sensitive to smells Edit2// oh yeah and wash your teeth and mouths as well, goddamn

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    Labeling that says “Made with xxxxx” for example “Made with 100% all white chicken!” ‘WITH’ is the key word here. The item might be only 3% chicken and 97% other junk, but that 3% of chicken is 100% all white! This isnt just food items, could be cleaning supplies, or a lot of other things too. ‘Made of xxxx’ could be better, or ‘Made 100% with/of’….

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      No idea who downvoted you, some dude who refuses to believe that? I didn’t believe that until I met someone in the food industry and they were like “Oh yeah, that’s just to make you believe it’s real stuff”. Turns out, McDonald’s Patties with 100% Real Beef relies heavily on that with, who would have guessed. The rest is sawdust filler material, but hey at least some portion of it is 100% real beef.

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      The one that gets me is the cat treats that list their flavors as “With Chicken.” Like, that’s the back half of the sentence, where’s the front half?

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    Calorie free. Fat free. Sodium free, etc.

    Just means that it has less than a specific threshold of the item per serving. And their servings are often arbitrarily small enough in order to conveniently miss that threshold

    I’m looking at you, Tic Tacs