It’s all that musl he has.

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I started on an Antikythera mechanism, you kids that started on a modern machine were coddled.

Nice…I meant, I gave my 7yo (at the time) a computer we put Mint on it. He is 9 now, so by 19 I think we will see how it has changed his skill level vs the gen pop

Heh, me too. DBAs are to sysadmins what sysadmins are to devs

There was a 2.0?

TIL.

My dad knew enough to not get scammed at Bestbuy, but it was enough for me to figure it out from there. He did not keep up with tech as a hobby and is basically clueless at this point.

I mean idk. I know it’s simple once you know but not something I would expect the average person to be familiar with. To be fair if you’re hacking you’re probably are using ssh at some point. But also I wonder if some have a hard time accepting their own accomplishments. If we never allow ourselves to see our own advancement then we just see others who have not achieved as less. Give yourself some credit bro and by extension give these onlookers a break. What you’re doing is kinda cool. Is that not what draws you to these types of activities in the first place?

The point I’m making is that I believe that people who have mac skills will need to also learn Windows skills just because it’s so much more commonplace.

Just like lefties can be more empathetic on scale, because they have to face the disappointment of things not being designed for them (us, but I’m more mixed-handed than pure lefty).

It’s not about the orientation of the hand, but the phenomena surrounding having to orient your hand / use a certain hand in a certain way.

Just like I don’t believe that Mac as an OS is inherently changing the kids significantly.

Please do apply adequate scientific rigor here!

And to be fair, I don’t really know anyone who’s only ever used a mac for those exact reasons. We had a few kids in graphic design school be like “well I mostly use Mac as my personal computer is a mac”, so they weren’t as used to using Windows, since they hadn’t done it since school.

Like if you compared the linguistic capacity of people in the US, I’m pretty sure that no matter what you choose as the primary language, those kids will still know English (as we’re talking about USA here), and if they know English, then they’re at least bilingual, which has a lot of cognitive benefits. But you wouldn’t be saying that specifically speaking some specific other language makes the kids smarter.

Some languages might give certain advantages, like say some aboriginal language which doesn’t have left/right but always uses cardinal directions. Due to them doing that it’s insanely hard to confuse their inner sense of direction, even if you chuck them if a van and drive them around blindfolded.

So I’m not saying using Macs can’t have some such small specific advantage, but I doubt it, and think it’s just general adaptation skills, which do correlate with positive cognitive development.

Think about how the earliest versions of Android didn’t even come with a basic file browser, for example.

They didn’t offer an official app, but the Google Store was flooded with 3rd party alternatives practically the day the OS was released.

Even then, knowing what an “App Store” is and how/why you’d use it is a skill more common among younger users. My mother, who happily goes on her laptop and installs all sorts of garbage, had no idea how to add an app to her phone. My younger coworkers are much more comfortable working through Citrix and other Cloud Services, because they don’t expect a file system to be living under every app they use.

It’s the overall push to turn computers into single-use appliances, rather than general purpose devices.

I more felt that the phone was becoming a kind of mono-device or universal remote, with a lot of the IoT tech trying to turn it into an interface for every other kind of physical appliance. If anything, I feel like the phone does too much. As a result, its interface has to become more digital and generic and uniform in a way that makes using distinct applications and operations confusingly vague.

But growing up in an analog world has definitely tilted my expectations. Younger people seem perfectly fine with syncing their phones to anything with a receiver or RFID tag. And the particularly savvy ones seem interested in exploiting the fact that everything has a frequency. I’ve met more than a few kids who have fucked around with the Flipper and other wireless receiver gadgets.

it’s easier for children to learn more languages than adults

Kids are also assumed to operate at a child’s language level. So an 8-year-old speaking both English and Spanish at the 1st grade level is impressive. But a 20-year-old speaking at a 1st grade level is considered remedial.

Even then, there’s a lot to be said for experience. Computers and languages alike benefit from years of exposure. A large English vocabulary will help you pick up Spanish faster. And many years of experience on an Apple will clue you into tricks a naive Windows/Linux user would never consider.

I remember my dad trying to limit my screen time by putting a password lock on the screen saver. He was shocked to discover that an eight year old figured out how to evade it by… restarting the computer. But then he enabled password on restart and got cagey when typing it in, and that slowed my Hackerman attempts down significantly.

Kids tend to learn basic things faster. But they lack the breadth of experience to recall and apply strategies and patterns they’ve accrued over a lifetime. So much of what we consider “smart” versus “dumb” in problem solving is just “how many times have you already seen the answer to this question applied successfully?” Figuring something out for the first time is always harder than applying the heuristic you’ve been using half your life.

They do have more neuroplasticity. But we have to define what that means and where this phenomenon comes from. Most just assume that younger equals better. This is not the case. You can even keep the neuroplasticity you have had as a child. One of the defining characteristics of neuroplasticity is the ability to adapt to new views. Since children have no views yet, they have no conflicting views either, causing acceptance. This is not the case with adults. But you can instrumentalize such knowledge to essentially undo your conflicting nature to increase neuroplasticity immensely. There is a cutoff and you will have a drop in potential for neuroplasticity as you age, but this is not in your child years. If you’re interested, I remember reading a study of life-long meditation on alzheimers. Maybe you can find them again. This is just one technique to increase neuroplasticity. I didn’t want to mention this part, as it is against common knowledge. But common knowledge is rarely correct.

Source: I have had to deal with significant loss of neural function through mental illness and have read up a lot about this topic to better myself.

Yeah my thought exactly I was raised on Macintosh and it’s completely different than the current apple product experience.

Ah, that’s true and I misunderstood you then. Though it’s hard for me to understand how that implies tech literacy in a total sense, since my grandpa has had a pc in and from the 20th century and while literate on tech given his generation, he is really not comparable to gen y-alpha. I would also wonder how this compares to devs, since most of them grow up relatively the same. PC in front of them, seeing code, monkey see monkey do, wam bam bap, software developer. I am in my 20s so I do not have knowledge about the first personal computers.