• MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    call me crazy, but i thought we already knew he did? I mean multiple victims are on the record saying he did. We just happen to be ignoring it.

    what I really want to know is why we as a country are 1. still paying taxes to a government that doesn’t represent us; 2. not collectively rioting and burning shit to the ground.

  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    I don’t care if it might be more tactically savvy for Democrats to talk about other issues.

    I mean its not. Its the redmeat his base has wanted for decades and its got him throwing bags of shit out a window. Just keep pushing and don’t stop.

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      What “the base” wants is blood in the water. We missed that opportunity as soon as Biden handed the keys to the DOJ over, back in January.

      If Trump really does show up with “The List” (which isn’t really a list, but a compilation of various other documents that people keep pretending is a big binder called “Names of People Who Fucked Kids” that we’re going to get a copy of) and his name is emblazoned across it a thousand times… what happens next? Does Thomas Massie not vote on the next “Gut The EPA Act of 2025”? Will Trump’s next court nominee fail confirmation? Do we recall our Navy from the coast of Venezuela? Is the genocide in Gaza going to end? Is it finally Mueller Time?

      I’ve seen “Release the Epstein List!” in a thousand fundraising emails. I’ve heard it in speeches. I’ve got spam texts about it from Roganites and Third Way and Communist Party USA.

      Nobody seems to be doing anything else but this. Nothing appears to be improving.

      Just keep pushing and don’t stop.

      Pushing what? Don’t stop what?

      Are you writing your Congresscritters about this on the reg? Are you in contact with your state’s District Attorney? Did you show up at the Epstein Victims Rally, after shoving your way through all the National Guard and ICE goons patrolling DC?

      Or do you just mean “Don’t stop posting”?

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        It is expedient for dividing their power & turning them against each other, something Democrats & progressives should keenly understand from so much self-infliction.

        If Trump really does show up with “The List” (which isn’t really a list, but a compilation of various other documents that people keep pretending is a big binder called “Names of People Who Fucked Kids” that we’re going to get a copy of) and his name is emblazoned across it a thousand times… what happens next?

        Funny you mention that: how do we know any of it actually exists outside Qanon conspiracy theories the press has reported for years? While I don’t deny the expediency of myths for ruining enemies, are people outside right-wing conspiracy theory communities seriously subscribing to the idea this wasn’t pulled out of some right-winger’s ass?

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    We’ve answered this question. The answer is yes. The follow on question “does America care”, appears to be a resounding “nope”.

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      “Care” is a spectrum. Taken as an aggregate, I’d say America is somewhere above, “frowny face” and somewhere below “getting shot to death by the National Guard while vainly storming the White House.”

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        It turns out storming the white house doesn’t seem to even actually do anything.

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      Subjectively i have little doubt this is true. And my faith for legal institutions to do what is right is rather low.

      That said, has it been legally proven in court that he raped (a child)?

      I dont need evidence for me, i need it for when i talk to other people and they ask about such evidence. Regardless of how obvious it is the norm remains innocent till proven guilty.

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        That said, has it been legally proven in court that he raped (a child)?

        Nope.

        I dont need evidence for me

        Shouldn’t that concern you?

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          I am very concerned. The average person seems scared to make realistic conclusion based on very observable information, almost requiring a perceived authority to first point out the obvious in order to see the problem to begin with.

          Still we should keep trying to push to get as “official” proof as we can get, if not because it helps barring against bad actors who are trying to discredit reason but also because for some reason the fascist is particularly more upset about this then other things. If he had any ability to keep himself together and coordinate with intelligence he could have swept this under a rug much easier.

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        He was going to be, before his 14yo accuser was forced to withdrawal her accusation after her and her family received a deluge of death and rape threats from Trump supporters.

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    We know he did. I want to know all of them. And then I want to see the Americans do absolutely nothing about it because that will just be the starkest on its face proof of the reality of that lazy ass do nothing culture. It will shatter all of that countries veil of moral superiority over the rest of the world.

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      It will shatter nothing. More kids have been shot in schools than ever visited the island, and thoughts and prayers is the only answer. If literally dead kids don’t prove anything, neither will a list of names. It will be called a hoax, a witch hunt, and quickly forgotten.

  • DicJacobus@lemmy.world
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    Schrodinger’s Pedo. he could have committed the crimes, he could be innocent.

    neither outcome is going to threaten his power. thats the problem, the Files could come out tonight, doctored, or legit, and regardless of what happens, he’ll still be the President tommorow, and GOP Congress will never impeach him.