“Man, how much waters did I have last night”
-Jesus (probably)
MAGA is just #newchristian hate
There’s a version of the bible they’ve been pushing that adds some “truth” to these nasty attitudes. And people love to shove it in your face “see!?! It’s printed here, it has to be true!!!”
Goddamn I love that shit. You know how many times I’ve been told I’m wrong for being an Atheist because “the Bible says God is real!” That line never gets old, I tell ya what.
I agree, but they don’t deserve to be called fundamentalists the way they revise the bible
All what this does is whitewash christian fundamentalist atrocities, similarly to how the “um, ackchually, the nazis were socialists” is now giving a green light to the far right of today to repeat hystorical mistakes all across the world.
This.
Well, they consider the old testament the fundamentals.
Bo they fucking don’t. If they did football would be a far less popular sport in the US, for example. They care about a few specific things that fit their (leader’s) politics.
he can’t remember because he never existed
It is generally accepted that there was a person that the stories of Jesus were based off of that existed at that time. He has as much (if not more) evidence of his existence as most historical figures from around that era. If we decided that he didn’t have enough evidence, we would have to erase the vast majority of ancient history.
Now, that doesn’t mean that stories of his miracles are accepted as historical. Those are still a matter of faith.
There is next to no evidence of Jesus Christ unless you count Christian sources, which have a bit of a bias.
The Romans for example were big on book keeping, yet no mention of Jesus can be found.
The existence of Jesus is possible, but far from certain - of course that’s something Christians don’t like to hear and the Christian church actively fights.
Not sure what you’d expect to find? 2000 year old court records from an outlying province? A long form birth certificate? His tax returns?
I mean that’s kinda the point
In that case there are tons of historical figures that should be assumed to have not existed. If we had such high standards we would have to erase most of our ancient history as rumor.
A lot of historical figures get mentioned by contemporary writing of that period- the more important that person is the more information can generally be found. Yet Jesus who, even if you ignore the miracles, should have been an important spiritual leader wasn’t mentioned.
You really think that after 2000 years that would have survived? How long do you think papyrus lasts? And where would they have stored? The middle east is well known to be geopolitically stable
I mean this is all supporting my point
He probably existed and if he did was most likely a great speaker but his stories are at least massively embellished.
I like how dickheads pick and choose which parts of the old testament to follow and which bits of the new to ignore as suits their bigotry and hate
Ecclesiastes 9:5 says dead is dead, directly contradicting everything about any afterlives or heaven. Christians pick and choose which parts to follow because they have to, it’s literally impossible to follow the entire thing.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
It also goes on to say go have fun and live your life. That does not some compatible with the strict puritan Christianity most seem to follow.
Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
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Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.Yeah,
It’s almost all though it’s all bullshit or something… 🤔
Well, why else do you think religions persist? Evolutionary pressure has selected it because it’s useful.
People not following any particular religion get laid at roughly the same rates as followers of religion. So there would be no evolutionary pressure involved there.
“Persist” is a funny word to use when you’re talking about human history on an evolutionary level, seeing as how we’ve evolved very little from our conception in Africa only a few hundred thousand years ago, practically the blink of an eye on the evolutionary scale. Even if religion has been around from the beginning of our species, it hasn’t really “persisted” very long at all.
As far as religion’s “use” in an evolutionary sense, the only thing that evolution selects for is more babies. If you have more babies than your peers, you’re more evolutionarily “fit,” it’s that simple. You could then say that religions that encourage their members to have more children are useful, but again, that’s only if you think the most important thing in the life of a human is for them to have more babies. Most people would say other things are more important when it comes to human life, which would make evolution useless as a metric to determine the “use” of religion.
It was, but we’ve outgrown it
The mark of civilisation is to be better than our base nature
Religion has had its day. Now it’s all about power and money (it pretty much always was, but I’m trying to be generous)
Well why do you think flat earthism persists? hur dur evolution!!!
I didn’t know most people are flat earthers. Do you have a source for that? There’s no real evolutionary pressure for or against a flat earth, it looks flat, for the vast majority of human existence people barely traveled beyond their birth place, or knew how to read.
OTOH, religious people far outnumber logical people, so … why? You got something better than “hur dur” to explain that?
Even funnier when they never took any religious studies class or anything.
I hate gatekeeping too but “it’s up to interpretation” used to imply they know fundamentals of philosophy and have the necessary historic context knowledge to form opinions.
Hell, at some point they would have to learn latin or hebrew just to not have their arguments ignored instantly.
Meanwhile these people make fun of college philosophy lectures and only know history about WW2 and how germany could have “won” according to that one 4chan user.
If they heard anyone speaking hebrew they would call the police because “it sounded Arab.”
This reminds of a similar pet peeve - people who hate on the humanities but worship pseudo-scientific economic ideology (aka capitalist religion).
Those people need a philosophy class more than most.
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Bad take. What are they forcing you to do? Say him / her instead of her / him? Oh how difficult. If I legally changed my name from Derrick to Dennis are you gonna moan at that too? “Stop trying to be someone else”. Idiot.
Cringe take that is factually wrong and out of step with modern, evidence -based medicine and research. Educate yourself before talking, otherwise people will think you’re stupid.
You make it sound like they have chosen to be that way.
Then you claim they force people “to adhere to their madness”
Which is wrong. They want people to stop down talking their self being. They want people to accept them as humans because people can’t just do that! Treating a humans like a human.
And this is what lot of assholes are against. Seeing that people who change gender are still people. Usually those assholes also don’t think women are equal to men which is why people changing gender makes them angry.
Meanwhile I’m here struggling to remember when exactly Christians cared about what Jesus told them to do.
Broad strokes… I know plenty of people who are Christians who attend church and hold very progressive views. I’m sorry that your experience with believers has been so poor. Please do try to remember that nobody talks about the person who isn’t bothering anyone with their beliefs.
No those people just are friends and enabling the pedos of their local church. You are the people you associate with and the church is the biggest pedo organization on the planet.
You are the people you associate with
Do they associate with people 2000 miles away? Or do they just like the same book?
Is everyone who enjoys Lord of the Rings responsible for the actions of other LotR fans?
Can you read? “Of their local church” is what I clearly stated.
Take your straw man elsewhere.
You think every church has pedos in it and you accuse me of building a straw man?
Statistically yes. Yes they do. The Catholic Church alone has the highest percentage of pedos from ANY organization.
In the most recent news it’s once again not trans or gay people grooming children, it’s the fucking leader of a church. AGAIN.
The Catholic Church
Catholics and Christians, while similar, go to different churches. So despite the fact that:
“Of their local church” is what [you] clearly stated
You are in fact associating them with people who do not attend “their local church”.
I’m in agreement… there are so many kind, compassionate religious people who follow the good parts of the literature that I hate to see the entire religion maligned. Some people are better because of it.
They enable the ones who do cause problems.
Helping others do harm but not physically doing it yourself does not absolve you of responsibility.
Once again, you are painting with broad strokes. If a bad apple spoils the bunch then all of humanity is bad apples. A Christian following the teachings of Jesus in Scripture over the cultural American WASP perception of what those teachings are, does not necessarily enable those WASPs to do harm.
Many of them do speak out against and actively oppose those who use religion as an excuse for bigotry.
Then some idiot responds with “No True Scotsman” and thinks they made a brilliant retort against someone who you would think they would be on the same side as.
To be fair, as long as they don’t crossdress, don’t have gay sex and don’t undergo genital surgery, they should be in the clear.
So as a trans person you’re allowed to… change your name and pronouns? I think that’s it, as far as the Bible goes.
Nope, changing pronouns is compelling speech according to evangelical extremists. Oh and changing your name should only apply to last name’s of women and young girls getting married, cuz we gotta keep in mind however many states still allow child marriage.
Funny how it’s only the religious Reich that even attempts to defend child marriage.
The Bible old and New testament is trans affirming although it has some passages against homosexuality. In fact the old testament says that eunuchs are allowed and even favored in heaven, but aren’t allowed in temples. Jesus says that some people are made that way, some born that way, and some choose to be that way to serve God, but doesn’t create a strong requirement to be kind to them, rather saying, those who can understand this should understand it. So both God and Jesus are trans affirming and says so in the Bible, but a man should not lay with another man and also there is a verse about a man should t wear the clothes of a woman, but I don’t think that would apply to eunarchs which are not considered men or women or to have a gender.
This is actually a pretty cool loophole for gay people. If you are a bottom you could just become trans if you have to live in a religiously oppressive society. It gives at least one pathway to happiness and love, but I know there are many gay people who prefer to be masculine while also homosexual.
As a trans person I don’t believe in religion myself but I do pray to God. Maybe an old habit. My idea of God isn’t a skypervert, and authoritarian but more like a friendly spirit who helps people who have good hearts and teaches wisdom to those who have dark hearts, but still stay aligned with the ineffable platonic good.
Even as a child it always seemed really silly to me that a god would care about who you love or what you wore. That never made any sense to me. I always assumed God was more intelligent than your average human. People who believe those things are not really believers in my opinion. All their assumptions are obviously coming from a place of, not actually believing in God, but wanting to use it as a tool to hurt people they don’t like. I see a totally different perspective. To me those people seem miserable and suffering in their own confusion and I always considered that to be justice for their own shittiness and their audacity to badmouth God out of their cynicism. God usually doesn’t punish much, he will sometimes destroy, but when people abuse his name and know him not, then it’s kind of fair game. They are in his debt and owe him for the trouble they cause him.
Some of the anti-homosexuality texts in the New Testament also have some missing context that isn’t really applicable to the homosexuality of today.
What was frowned upon in the age those texts were written was the ‘effeminizing’ effect of being submissive in sexual activity, which males in society of that time (in the Roman empire) were expected to be strong, hard, dominant penetrators (manly qualities), not weak-willed, soft, submissively penetrated (feminine qualities). Abandoning manly expectations in society for feminine sex acts was unforgivable. That expectation of social/sexual roles contributes to the homophobia and toxic masculinity today.
Another Greek word that has been difficult to translate is arsenokoitai, which has traditionally been translated as ‘homosexual’ (and used as a proof text for the Bible’s anti-homosexual stance), but later uses of the word seem to indicate it was ‘rape or sex by economic coercion, prostitution, or pimping’, which introduces an asymmetry of power of an abuser and the abused, which is far more problematic than homosexual activity.
This is a common misconception of modern people. The Romans didn’t value masculinity. They valued refinement. They were people who worked on farms, and did everything by hand, and fought in the legion. People like that don’t idealize masculinity. They saw themselves as being superior to other people not because of their masculinity but because of their culture and way of life.
People idealizing masculinity are mostly modern affluent males who never really struggled or worked for anything. They work in offices all day, so they pretend to care about sports or hunting to appear more masculine. They are anything but. They idealize masculinity because they lack it in so many ways.
The Romans also didn’t think there was anything weird if wrong with being homosexual. They had no concept of it being taboo, and just thought it was a normal thing that nearly half of humans were by nature. The Jewish worldview and their dislike of homosexuality and sexuality in general, hadnt came along until long after. Israel was just a backwater at the edge of their empire. It wasn’t until Christianity and Islam took over much of the world that people started to associate homosexuality with gender and masculinity and stuff.
Remember, God doesn’t make mistakes. So if God made you trans and put you here in this time where you have the options to explore that, well… seems pretty clear to me.
It’s either all part of God’s plan, or none of it is.
Well, I can’t remember exactly where but I know it’s in there somewhere.
So the magaTs are now anti modification but still completely fine with mutilating young males with circumcisions. Yeah, checks out for more insanity form the cult.
The one thing brain worms McGee could have done and gotten a nod from me, and he fucked it up by throwing autism in there! Seriously though, I’m so glad my mom is as bull headed as she is and told the hospital staff to fuck off when they were pushing for that shit.
Like why is a cereal manufacturer still having us mutilate newborns?
i do wonder why trans children are their main target when the plastic surgery industry has many more people to bully
I’m not sure if they’re main target, but they’re certainly a target. Anyone who isn’t behind them is an enemy.
Not sure you want to appeal to the contents of the Bible. I’m sure somewhere in their fairy tale being trans is a sin.
God is trans by common definition; not male or female, both, neither. God is non-binary.
If those people could read that, they would be very upset
Also, if Eve was made from Adam’s rib then either Eve has XY chromosomes or Adam has XX. Doesn’t sound very cis to me.
I completely agree that god came out as non-binary, in genesis, in terms of gender. In terms of biological sex, yahweh is male presenting (complete with bull horns and an oversized novelty cock). Despite their best efforts, the church didn’t manage to erase all the drawings from the early yahweh cult.
God is not trans because he doesn’t have a physical form. He could be considered nonbinary, and he does love those neopronouns He/Him
God is not trans because he doesn’t have a physical form. He could be considered nonbinary, and he does love those neopronouns He/Him
They probably couldn’t imagine such a thing to make it a sin. Evidence: because they totally would have.
it’s silly because maga women are getting boob jobs and maga men are getting hair transplants
Maga men also are much more likely to take steroids and/or penis pills. And let’s talk about semiglutides. For people who think modern medicine is evil, and all doctors and pills are trying to kill you, they sure are conveniently unaware of their own convictions when it comes to vanity.
Jesus said nothing about people transitioning and gender, but IIRC early and medieval Christian scholars condemned bodily modifications because the body was God’s creation and property and it ought to be kept intact for resurrection.
The one who can accept this should accept it.
I mean… That’s a start. But what about the ones that can’t seem to accept it?
I don’t know enough about transgender people in ancient times to argue about the definition of “eununch”. Thanks for your contribution, though.
Matthew was written about 80 CE. Nero was emperor until 68. Nero rather famously took a eunuch as a “wife”, Sporus, which most in the Roman empire and likely the author of Matthew would have been aware of.
Christian scholars condemned bodily modifications because they wanted to control your body instead.
Always has been.
Yeah, that’s basically all of major religions. Their rationale was resurrection and the rapture.
I would like to know how, at least in some Christian variations, that you can’t have tats or piercings when the text I remember covering the subject was more like, “don’t burn your corpse, you’re gonna need it when the time comes.” If I had tats or whatever, I’d still have an intact body to be resurrected. 🤷♂️
My guess is that someone was jealous of his fellow’s tats and it all snowballed from there
