Sigh
So they kept the images illegally, hm?
/me chuckles from his IRC chat room
and people will continue to use Discord.
I held out for a return to IRC for a long time but the days of only getting messages when you’re online, or of setting up a bouncer or other solution, are just long gone.
It’s a good thing I didn’t give out my phone number or passport and didn’t communicate via voice chat.
*gasp*
surprisedpikachu.jpeg
This was kind of breach so predictable even surprisedpikachu.txt isn’t enough, but it must be done.
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put the pikachu part in code so it’ll render monospaced ;)
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Do people really have to scan an ID to us Discord?
No. According to an article the IDs were from people who were challenging an age determination. Still bullshit, but you don’t need ID to use Discord as a general rule.
The unauthorized party also accessed a “small number” of images of government IDs from “users who had appealed an age determination.”
Small is, of course, a relative term. I would consider a small number to be 2 or 3. They may feel that 10,000 users is a small number. Who can say?
as a very minimum, it would make sense to demand safe-deleting the photo immediately after the verification process, with fucking prison time to someone if it is found they did not comply with that.
but that is clearly not the direction the society is going 🤷♂️
You are absolutely right. This is a huge violation of user privacy on Discord‘s side which of course is as outrageous as it was to be expected from Discord. Like, Discord is the first company I would suspect to not care about any of this. They probably think lower of consumers than video game companies do.
It’s used by some Discord communities to prevent spam/bots. This would be inconjunction with other measures like how some communities require a verified email or to have a phone number associated with your account.
While those exist, those wouldn’t have been affected by this breach (or if they were it was only incidentally) - those communities are not using Discord’s age verification but are doing it through DMs (or a 3rd party service). Discord communities do not have access to age or ID verification tools, nor do they have the ability to impose restrictions based off age or ID verification (yet, there is rumored to be an age-verification access restriction beta going out, but it apparently doesnt use ID)
In the United Kingdom yes because of our authoritarian Online Safety Act that came into power earlier this year. If I join a discord channel marked as nsfw I get a prompt for id which I bypass with a VPN in another country.
Apparently if they get flagged as underage when they aren’t.
Yet another example of how requiring ID is a shit idea.
When I use the linux or web client it asks for a selfie with my ID card when I try to enter a server.
Works fine on Android.
Contacted support, they say my account is not flagged as underage but I have to submit the photo anyway. I told them i won’t.
Normally, no.
And this data breach wasn’t technically to Discord either, it was to a third party company that does some part of customer support for them and the data and IDs leaked were from people who had contacted support because they were flagged underaged, and sent their ID to verify they weren’t.Which also kinda explains why they weren’t deleted as they should be, they were just attatchements to support tickets, and not a “proper” verification system.
I really wish there was a good competitor to Discord. I have not found one that has the same screen sharing feature. Revolt (now Stoat) gets close but lacks the screen sharing - something me and my friends use a lot. They are adding this soon so hopefully it is good
I don’t know why people keep saying this. You either pay for a service, or you get a company extracting as much data as they can from you for advertiser or VC money. Servers and bandwidth cost money
Telegram is profitable through semi-pushing some cryptocurrency and selling premium. Various free-to-play games are profitable through the sale of optional content.
There are alternatives in offering delayed or optional monetary costs.
I don’t know why people keep saying this. You either pay for a service, or you get a company extracting as much data as they can from you for advertiser or VC money. Servers and bandwidth cost money
- Some people pay for Discord and they still exploit their data.
- Some people pay for Lichess and their whole website is free of charge without tracking/advertising.
Yes, things cost money. Yes, ideally those who can pay for it should. No, something being free doesn’t legitimize unethical means to make a profit.
⚜︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.
You know those are the exceptions, not the rules. Capitalism means that you play the dirty tricks everyone else does or get left behind. Legislation is the way out of this, not the delusion that we can convince people to just “choose better”. I tried to convince people for the better half of a decade. People simply do not have the knowledge to understand why they should care.
Matrix, XMPP, GNU-Jami & SimpleX
None of those come close to the features Discord has.
What do you use other than text and voice chat. Forums exist but thats weird.
that has the same screen sharing feature
Uhm, yeah, it’s a chat app, not a screen-sharing app.
Yeah no, sometimes you need screen sharing in the “chatting app”
A lot of university clubs are on Discord, and my cyber club does tutorials and labs on the weekends where the leader screen-shares. It’s nice because you can see the video in real time and ask questions whenever, rather than watching a pre-recorded video and having to hope you have no issues while following along.
I mean, this is literally why Zoom blew up so much during COVID. Real-time learning works more than asynchronous learning for a lot of people.
Screen-sharing is part of chat apps nowadays. You’re fully within your rights to stay on IRC and pretend that featureful chat is not the norm these days, but that doesn’t mean society is going to move to IRC with you. Like it or not, encrypted chat apps have to become even more usable for the average person for adoption to go up. This reminds me of how all the old Linux-heads insisted that gaming was for children and that Linux didn’t need gaming. Suddenly now that Linux has gaming, adoption is going way up - what a coincidence.
Edit: Also for the record, I have a tech-savvy friend who refuses to move to Signal until there are custom emoji reactions, of all things. You can definitely direct your ire towards these people, but the reality is some people have a certain comfort target, and convincing them to settle for less is often harder than improving the app itself.
Matrix or Jitsi with Lemmy or any popular forum software would be my suggestion. More secure and private but require some technical knowledge.
Matrix is an absolutely pale imitation of Discord.
Yes it is very upsetting that the most popular chat platform in the Western world is in league with Sauron, but Matrix as a replacement is a glorified ICQ client that regularly yells at you that your device is untrusted now and there’s no hope of fixing it, you loser.
What issues did you run into, as far as I am concerned the weakest point is their screen share protocol not supporting sound.
Yeah Matrix is horrible, I don’t think it will ever catch on
I used Element and it was also an overcomplicated and cluttered UI. They should’ve just straight copied Discord like ReVolt/Stoat did
When was this, ever since I used it it has had a ui like team speak
It’s Matrix.
We don’t need another competitor. We need more people using the federated option.
Same thing with alternatives to windows. We already have it, but people are too stupid to use it.
Revolt (Stoat?) is alright, but good luck getting people to join there lol, Discord is the only thing people are willing to join
Now more than ever people will have to choose between privacy and comfort. And not to be a dick, but now more than ever, people choosing comfort are fucking over people who choose privacy.
I know that person he is me.
That fast, huh?
Official statement from Discord: “Oopse woopse we did a fucky wucky. Sue us hahaha you won’t”
Update photos set deleted=1 where id=553468863
I tried getting my friends to move to any other chat client but the thing that keeps them on discord is the screen share. Like it or not, this feature is what’s locking people in as a one stop shop game streaming chat.
Signal app on pc can screen share. I share with mates all the time through it
did you ever use jitsi? its not a chat platform, but one for video calls. it supports screen sharing and its very good. it works standalone, there are public instances
matrix used to use jitsi for group calls. I don’t know what does it use now as a transition to an in house service has been in the works for a few years now, and element call just now starts to get mature enough, but I’m almost sure you can do screen sharing right now too. but try to check how usable it is before you try to get your friends to use it. if it doesn’t work well, they may not accept your advice (as easily) in the future to switch chat providers
Absolutely! I brought it into another group for corporate stuff and it was great. We also used it over COVID lockdown for games with another group of friends.
I’ll do more research on Matrix and see if i can set something up for a truly seamless transition. Thanks for the suggestion!
Crazy, that thing I said would happen finally happened.
didn’t take too long either
Ah yes, another reason not to give me ID to these tech companies. Anyone that demands my ID online can go fuck themselves while I find a replacement service.
Best part:
The unauthorized party gained access to “information from a limited number of users who had contacted Discord through our Customer Support and/or Trust & Safety teams”
More people need to use matrix and xmpp instead!
Unfortunately, stupid people need to be advertised to in order to see value in a product these days.
