• jojo@piefed.social
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    4 hours ago

    it should read “In another desperate move by the Dutch fascist party, they try to make it illegal to be ANTIFAscist”

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    This is why I love Dutch politics, our Trump only has 1/4 of the vote and thus must play with others.

    This is Wilders begging to be in the news again to win back voters, thanks media you’ve catered to the fascist, again.

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      While Wilders is unlikely to ever become Prime Minister, he has already succeeded in pulling the whole political landscape to the right. Indeed without much opposition of the media, that tend to have an academical appreciation of what Wilders is doing to ‘hack’ them (so to speak), but without it leading to any (effective) countermeasures.

      Wilders is just following in the footsteps of Goebbels.

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      Well since over half just voted to recognize the only people that have stood up to paramilitary tools of the regime to extrajudicially target opponents and critics, as the terrorists, we know it is over 50 percent fascists in the netherlands house.

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    To clarify: the Dutch government will now discuss this issue and decide if they want to move forward with it. If they do, there will be a legal process to decide if the original request is feasible. Something similar happened in 2016 and the result was that they are not terrorist in nature.

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Fascistische_Aktie

    A report from the National Coordinator for the fight against Terrorism and Security (NCTV) from March 2016 stated that AFA counter -demonstrations against Pegida could be accompanied by violence, but that there are no indications for left -wing radical terrorism.

    I would prefer if people would not immediately claim that we are just as fucked as the USA or that our judicial system is just as broken. Sure, it doesn’t look good, but it’s very much a matter of degrees.

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      Copying the us in designating those standing up to their paramilitaries being nurtured to target critics and opponents, as terrorists is more than a bad look fuck your degrees.

      Apparently the netherlands is ruled by fascist tools of more powerful nations. The netherlands can get fucked.

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    I’ll take “Things fascist do when elected to government” for six-hundred please, Alex.

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    An insult to the memory of every Canadian who died fighting to free their country from fascist occupation.

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      Wilders is a racist, fascist cunt that loves hanging out and sucking up to other fascists in other countries.

      And recievied a large portion of Dutch votes last election, assuming the trajectory continues, he’ll win even more next time. :(

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    Well, guess I can’t go to the Netherlands because of a sticker on my laptop now

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    From the article:

    Antifa, short for “anti-fascist,” is generally described by experts as a loose, decentralized movement rather than a structured organization, raising questions about how such a designation would be applied in practice.

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      raising questions about how such a designation would be applied in practice.

      By allowing the government to declare you are antifa, thus a terrorist.

      The whole reason for the fuzzy definition is a design, not a flaw. Russia does the same thing.

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        Yes, exactly! Looking at the USA it hasn’t been in dubio pro reo for a while now. You’ll end up having to proof you are not a member and you won’t be able to.

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    With the motion now adopted, the Dutch government must formally respond and decide whether to implement the request.

    And they won’t.

    Wilders is a right wing nut job whose popularity is decreasing rapidly. His party was now elected twice into the government and in both cases they blew up the coalition, causing new elections.

    The sentiment regarding his party is now that they are unable to govern and just cause chaos. This is becoming clear even among his followers.

    Before the elections they promise the impossible. When they are in the opposition it’s easy to maintain that the ruling parties are messing stuff up, but now that they were actually part of the government they have shown twice now that they are unable to deliver any of their fantasy solutions and that they can’t govern.

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      Thanks for the insight; we currently have a very similar situation in Finland. The current government including far-right populists, conservatives and neoliberals is just fucked up both in discussions and actions, both internally and externally so to speak.

      In the last decade or so people often said “just let them govern once to show the people how bad they are at it”. I always thought it’s a playing with fire scenario, but so far it seems to work out.

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        Bad time to try it out, the us and russia are helping them behind the scenes now, stuff you would not even think of, like what other polits are doing and saying.

        It is playing with fire, they are trying to fix their hack allies in place, like hungary. It can happen there.

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      I’d like it to be true that his followers have lost faith in him, but it doesn’t seem like it to me. Of recent polls, only Maurice de Hond puts the PVV at a significant loss.

      Wilders has been trying to frame all issues with his cabinet as having been the result of unwillingness by the other coalition parties in following through with his (clearly illegal and unconstitutional) demands, especially NSC. It remains to be seen if he was successful - there’s still quite some time to go till late October - but at the moment it seems like he has. If you go to public forums with lots of PVVers, you hear them repeat this talking point quite fervently.

      I’m also not confident that the new VVD-supported cordon sanitaire will actually hold after the elections, though at least the VVD is looking to lose quite a bit of their seats. This motion was supported by the so-called ‘liberal’ VVD themselves, anyway.

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    With the motion now adopted, the Dutch government must formally respond and decide whether to implement the request.

    Is this a formality or is the adoption more of a “pwease listen to mwee” type of action?

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    Does the parliament decide who’s a terrorist and who’s not? I mean… shouldn’t it be up to the judges and based on factual evidence? (asking because sincerely curious)

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      I don’t know how Dutch law works, but this sounds like the proscribed organisations in the UK. If it is like the UK then the courts decide who has committed acts of terrorism but the government can also proscribe a group to say that just joining it is a crime. For a sensible example, the neonazi organisation Atomwaffen Division is on the list