I personally like to listen to both sides of the story so that I can absorb 2x the disinformation
They cancel each other out of you’re lucky
It depends on the phase. Sometimes you get constructive interference and they add up instead.
People who consume only a specific source of media are biased as fuck. You don’t consume only media that’s in favor of your beliefs. You have to consume the other side’s propaganda as well. The truth is rarely spoken by anyone and lies somewhere in the middle.
The truth isn’t content. It isn’t engaging. Statements are.
Right wingers, do it in a specific way, they have either fox on all day long, or if they are on the computer, they have X posts just literring thier webpages, joe rogan or a right wing talking head video playing in the background for hours on end. thats how they reinforce the biases.
Russia and China have been manipulating discourse in the US since 2016; and American media is happy to let them.
Calm down, grandma
Sorry, I’ll try to start frothing at the mouth about those perfidious Chinese Russians like a calm person such as yourself.
I mean, sure, like a year ago but at this point I also don’t trust what the government and mainstream media say.
Damn… I’m desperate, but even I wouldn’t suck that
So 80% of lemmy.ml users?
Probably not 80% of their users, but definitely the majority of the active ones.
Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about ‘finding truth in faith’ after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me
There’s this clear implication that the ‘truth’ can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information that’s misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but what’s especially annoying is that it doesn’t even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from what’s supposedly more important.
Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.
but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.
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russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.
You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that “russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too”? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so that’s good enough.
Hehe .ml user being defensive
Yeah, thats got to be it. No one could genuinely be concerned to see the left wing of American politics following the right into McCarthyism and xenophobia, it must be because I have the wrong letters after my name. Nothing I said is wrong, of course, but that’s nothing a lazy ad-hominem can’t solve, is it.
That’s Kremlin propaganda my friend.
Divide from within.
It doesn’t bode well that even American Liberals are all turning into the villain from Dr. Strangelove.
I’m not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda. To me, that seems like a lame excuse for the US getting itself into this mess.
In any case, there will certainly be no mysterious agents coming to rescue you from your self-imposed fascism. You’ll have to do that yourselves, so I would strongly recommend that you stop assigning blame and finally do something—otherwise, you won’t be able to post on Lemmy anymore because you’ll be brought into line by the state—then you could complain about Russian conditions, if that were still possible.
The best propaganda takes advantage of flaws already present in a culture, it doesn’t try to create new ones
You mean like propaganda taking advantage of the fact that most Americans are already incredibly xenophobic to blame all of America’s problems on evil foreigners
This is an extension of the adage that the best lies contain elements of the truth.
You don’t know why because you are PROFOUNDLY uneducated about it or you’re a Russian bot yourself (ps most bots are human slaves, not robots).
Here’s a documentary from 2018 with McCain and Clinton: https://youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA
There’s also the book American Kompromat by Unger that goes into SUBSTANTIAL detail for DECADES and shows how Russia has been accruing blackmail globally.
And then multiple protests globally (Romania, Georgia, Slovakia, Serbia) regarding online Russian interference plus many many memos including from our own government.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe). It’s more effective than bullets and biowarfare in some ways. Idk how you can’t see how big of a deal it is.
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
I love completely unsourced xenophobic conspiracy theories topped of with McCarthyist witch hunting
Unsourced? It is thoroughly sourced. https://lemmy.world/post/36107411/19469733
I have no issue with the Russian people. It’s the Russian government/state I have an issue with, often I emphasize this but I truly thought it was clear by how I was saying they were enslaving their own people and harming them etc - average Russian doesn’t want this.
Being against a fascist leader actively attacking your country and other countries and funding Nazis and fascism globally isn’t xenophobia, that’s quite obvious.
Unsourced? It is thoroughly sourced.
So all of those links contain evidence for the specific claim that Russian is engaged in “MASSIVE MASSIVE warfare on Lemmy” specifically? Because if not, and it’s actually just you posting every unrelated link about Russia doing anything bad you could find in the hope that the sheer number of them would dissuade anyone from actually double checking, then you are actively and deliberately lying through your teeth. So which is it?
and other countries and funding Nazis and fascism globally isn’t xenophobia
Blaming all of your countries domestic problems on a secret conspiracy by your nations foreign enemies, while accusing anyone do disagrees with you of secretly being foreign agents is about as xenophobic as you can get.
Sorry, you don’t think there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy? Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they won’t keep talking. Won’t work on me. And if you aren’t a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if that’s what your REAL personality is like.
Tell me something negative about Putin. Go ahead. Tell me something negative about Xi’s government. Go on. These are dictators, should be easy.
Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isn’t a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, I’m not lying, I’m just completing the equation.
It isn’t “anything bad,” it’s literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.
It literally isn’t xenophobia, lol. Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery. Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too? What about Poland and Romania? What about how Lebanon is investigating possible Russian connections to that giant blast in Beirut because they think they caused it - is that xenophobia, to investigate a possible giant bomb and ask for accountability for it?
The state of Russia is engaging in warfare - that’s true. BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare. It will and has killed people. It’s okay to say that’s wrong lol
Sorry, you don’t think there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy?
Nope, stop right there. You’re trying to dodge away from what we were actually talking about, so I’m just going to repeat what I said.
So all of those links contain evidence for the specific claim that Russian is engaged in “MASSIVE MASSIVE warfare on Lemmy” specifically? Because if not, and it’s actually just you posting every unrelated link about Russia doing anything bad you could find in the hope that the sheer number of them would dissuade anyone from actually double checking, then you are actively and deliberately lying through your teeth. So which is it?
Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they won’t keep talking. Won’t work on me. And if you aren’t a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if that’s what your REAL personality is like.
Notice how this is all just substanceless personal attacks and McCarthyism (literally uses the phrase “Are you one of them?!”). This is purely trying to distract from the fact that you have not actual argument by reverting to just attacking me.
Tell me something negative about Putin.
Putin is an ultranationalist dictator who only cares about personal power and is only different from outright fascists in so much as he’s too self interested and cynical to believe in a cause larger than himself. He willingly oversaw the dismantleing and selling off of Russia to the oligarch class and is currently engaged in a brutal war of aggression that will be the cause of mass human suffering for decades to come. He’s basically the Saddam of Europe and I won’t be sad if he goes out the same way.
Tell me something negative about Xi’s government.
Where the fuck does this come from, what does Xi have to do with any of this? Oh right, you’re so xenophobic that you consider China and Russia to just be interchangeable synonym’s for “the evil foreigners”
Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isn’t a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, I’m not lying, I’m just completing the equation.
So this is just an admition that you were lying when you said your sources contained the claim. This is literally Qanon reasoning.
It isn’t “anything bad,” it’s literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.
See, you’ve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once you’ve decided that everything you disagree with is “a Russian talking point” and everyone who disagrees with you is “a Russian puppet” by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
It literally isn’t xenophobia
It literally is, it’s literally saying that all of your country’s domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery.
Lol. If propaganda actually counted as “actively attacking” then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesnt’ count as that, you’re just redefining words.
Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too?
No, because Ukraine is actually, physically being attacked by Russia, not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldn’t have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists don’t go this far.
The actual quote:
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
Including on Lemmy means they have a masive campaign and that includes some bots on Lemmy. Learn to read what is written. Stop strawmanning. Stop pretending you can mind read - that’s also a psychiatric symptom btw.
Asking if you are a bot because you are parroting pro-Russian talking points when faced with other evidence is not “substanceless” personal attacks lol.
Putin is an outright fascist.
BRICS, keep up. This was established numerous comments ago.
What claim? The claim YOU randomly invented because you strawman so much? You yourself did not disagree that there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy.
See, you’ve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once you’ve decided that everything you disagree with is “a Russian talking point” and everyone who disagrees with you is “a Russian puppet” by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
No, this isn’t what I said. Strawman. You know I didn’t say it, because I didn’t use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
it’s literally saying that all of your country’s domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
No, this isn’t what I said. Strawman. You know I didn’t say it, because I didn’t use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesnt’ count as that, you’re just redefining words.
Yes, the USA has been and is fascist too, all capitalist governments are inherently fascist, this has already been explained to you. This includes Russia too, both countries are fascist. Neither are brave or good for being fascist warmongers and both used the other as a scapegoat to rid themselves of undesirables.
I’m not “redefining words,” projection on your part.
People are literally dying, a physical attack, from this propaganda. Measles outbreaks, people eating bad food, gun violence, etc etc. Their deaths are as valid as if they’d been shot directly.
not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldn’t have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
Strawman again.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists don’t go this far
Yeah, okay, with this it is clear you’re having a bad mental health episode. I don’t care to be your punching bag for your delusions, mania, and/or psychosis which I’ve politely labeled strawmans and mindreading up to now. The “talking like Qanon” thing is clearly projection on your part. Much of what you said is nonsensical or just wrong, you’ve been informed of that and are unable to adjust or have a good faith argument at any level. You have failed in every comment to actually read the actual words I say and respond to the actual words I say. I may as well not be here lol, and any readers have the info they may want anyway.
I have no issue with reducing the global power of the USD and I am sympathetic to why other countries would do it. However, they do not care to do it gently, causing death, which needs to be addressed locally starting with acknowledging it.
The rest - yeah, I’m sure the evil boogeyman narrative your brain invented towards me is really insanely fascist and evil lol. You are a good creative writer and make very spooky characters with very spooky buzzwords. It isn’t me because I didn’t say anything you claim was said, but that other guy you’ve invented is a really scary guy for sure. You are doing great arguing against them and defeating them. They are just so evil.
I’m not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda.
Because liberals are nationalist American exceptionalists, so they need to find something to blame Americas problems on other than America itself
TBH, Rupert Murdock HELPED Putin refine/put RT on steroids. He was marketing his propaganda (division) here in the USA since Reagan let him through the door. Russian extras are just a bump up in the last 10-15 years.
and in return putin works through FOX to spread the propaganda in favour of the gop as well. tucker, jesse waters, laura ingram, bill oreily. is there to handle things.
I only trust cats :3
I see you’re in the (warm furry pockets) of big cat!
ML is basically the same too.
So I’ve seen.
whipping out my Horseshoe Theory graph
So, as you can see, the tips of the horseshoe are where the Russian Propaganda lives.
I prefer the Pac-Man interpretation
Hey horseshoe theory, wanna… touch tips?
Sorry, op. I’m locking this thread to prevent this comment section from becoming a dumpster fire.
This is true. Also there are zero mainstream media outlets that are not propaganda of some kind or another at this point. When you intentionally read all kinds of biased news it becomes more and more obvious.
THE LARGEST MOST COMMONLY WATCHED BEST FUNDED MEDIA OUTLET ISNT MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!1!
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How else do you define “mainstream” than ‘most commonly watched’? TBH, ALL of the major news teams (CBS, ABC, CNN, msNBC) have succumbed to PumpkinLord’s rhetoric (almost NO calling out his lies or unconstitutional ploys).
Fox is the Eye of Sauron. May Reagan burn in intolerable hell for unleashing that shit upon us.
Uh huh. The ol’ ‘anyone who criticizes NATO proxy wars is a Russian stooge.’
As opposed to the old “only the Great Powers have agency” gambit, which is actual Russian propaganda. Heaven forbid countries other than the US, Russian and China be even conceived of being able to take actions on their own.
And what actions are those? Like partnering with the west to install a far-right regime?
And what actions are those? Like partnering with the west to install a far-right regime?
Why would you partner with someone if you have direct access yourself?
