• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      No no no. My Good’ole’Boy high school curriculum told me the slaves were forced off the Plantation by the mean Union thugs in their War Of Northern Aggression.

      Clearly, this picture is just out of context or propaganda or idk he was clearly doing drugs and the police were just trying to help him out but he wouldn’t stop resisting.

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      Robert E. Lee, the hero of the south, tortured his slaves so savagely that his own slave overseer was disgusted and refused to participate. Which leads me to believe that the scars seen in this photo should be considered “within reason.”

      See? Bright side to everything if you’re enough of a monster.

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      and that’s not even getting into lynching picnics for the whole family, or community, cannibalism, using hair and other body parts of slaves to make medical devices, furniture, or decoration, and who can forget sexual slavery, raping slaves and selling the resulting children into slavery, many first hand accounts from slaves talk about constant sexual abuse. so it’s not ALL just torture and mutilation of living people, or dehumanizing them in every way imaginable.

      and one of the big fat myths of slavery, the docile happy slave. Never happened, slaves were very frequently rebelling, trying to organize to over throw their masters, and creating a whole systems of escape. There was no happiness in slavery, it a daily power struggle to suppress slave revolts and uprisings, and keep slaves in a constant state of fear and terror.

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        it a daily power struggle to suppress slave revolts and uprisings, and keep slaves in a constant state of fear and terror

        That’s what the “well-regulated militias” were for in the Second Amendment.

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    Idk if you seen prageru, basically had a cartoon where Christopher Columbus said how “being slave was better than being dead”

    • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      (this ignores the thousands of taihno who committed suicide, choosing death over servitude, and how much work Colombus’ men put into preventing others from choosing the same path)

  • callouscomic@lemmy.zip
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    How bout we enslave this fucking nazi turd. Drag his fat fucking ass around, go full mussolini.

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      Are you forgetting how good it was for all those slave owners though? They liked it a whole lot.

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    I feel like the only way to teach them that slavery is wrong is to enslave them. I will personally volunteer to recreate the whipping scene from Roots for everyone who thinks slavery wasn’t so bad. Starting with the orange.

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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    Conservative idiots like Trump want to white (heh) wash slavery because they want to bring slavery back. Not just for black people, but of course especially for black people first, but also for all the other poors they think they can exploit to make themselves richer. Somehow they think everyone should be on board with this, and alas probably some subset of idiots will be even after they’re already wearing the manacles themselves.

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      Slavery still exists in the US, it just now only mostly focused on African Americans. The Prison Industrial Complex is an abomination.

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    Well, yes? The US has this strange fixation on slavery. It is a horrible practice that is believed to traumatize people for generations. While in reality the slavery was almost everywhere these times (if we don’t focus on Europe). Maybe it’s time to ask yourself, has the slavery really left this deep wound or maybe it was something else?

    • ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      The problem is, this country is filled with slavery apologists like you. The only reason we have to keep reminding people how terrible slavery was is because people like you keep trying to normalize it, and it’s fucking gross.

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        slavery apologists like you

        I am not from the US and have never been there. Sorry for not making this clear, but it’s my impression as a bystander. Also slavery is horrible, we should never return to it, as if it wasn’t that straightforward from the message.

        because people like you keep trying to normalize it

        In no way do I try to normalize it for today’s reality. It used to be normal back then and we should never return there.

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          There are different forms of slavery. The US was unique in that it was a system of race based chattel slavery, and really, the idea of “race” was invented alongside it.

          Slavery in west Africa would often mean that the person would end up being integrated into the tribe over a long period of time (varies immensely group by group, but still the general trend). In the Middle East, Muslims were not allowed to hold other Muslims as slaves, so sometimes conversion could be a ticket out (there’s some funny complexities there).

          Slavery in the US was a uniquely barbarous institution. It was industrialized, it treated people as resources. Perhaps an especially brutal Roman latifunda could compare in an individual’s experience, but even then, a freeman in Roman society would still be about equivalent to most every one else.

          Slavery didn’t stop in the US after it ended. Tons of masters chose not to tell their slaves that the Emancipation Proclamation had freed them until sometimes decades after the fact. After the Civil War, the KKK ran a campaign to terrorize Black communities. Communities also immediately passed things like vagrancy laws, which started the system of slavery as punishment for a crime that we still have today.

          There have been forces in the US attempting to minimize slavery since before the ink was even dry on the peace treaty. Please do not join them.

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          US slavery wasn’t the same as slavery from other regions for that time period.

          While other imperialist nations had slaves (although many had ended it at some point earlier than the US did by a significant amount of time), they still viewed said slaves as humans, even if in some cases still lesser. They also had slaves from different nations and empires (this is relevant to the “viewed as humans” part).

          In the US however, slavery was limited to only those considered of the “black race”, and those people weren’t considered humans. It’s why the 1 drop rule existed too - basically, if you were any percent “black”, you were considered “black” because you were essentially now seen as not fully human, but a hybrid.

          This dehumanization meant that US slaves were treated far worse than any other slaves for the time period (in non war-time). To the point that slave owners even forcibly bred slaves for specific characteristics as if they were cattle - something that was never done in history as far as I’m aware by violent force, the closest being that one king in Europe who enslaved tall people and made them part of an elite “giants” army, where they got special treatment but could only have tall wives as well. This breeding program the US had was even one of Hitler’s inspirations for his eugenics programs many years into the future.

          This also meant that owners could kill slaves without repercussion in absolute - and that was a big distinction to other imperialist nations at the time as well. Yes, other empires would overwork and kill their slaves (the Spanish in the Caribbean especially), but they also couldn’t just start killing wantonly without some type of repercussions from their monarchy, as some authority always still belonged to the crown state.

          That was not the case in the USA. Killing your slave would be seen no different as killing your pigs or chickens. They were property in the absolute.

          Another difference to most slavery in history is that you couldn’t really escape slavery. In other empires or nations, you could escape by either literally escaping a province or because there was a year limit to how long you could be a slave. In some cases you could even buy your way out.

          That also wasn’t the case in the USA for the longest time, with the only methods of escape being making it to Canada or Southern Mexico / Central America. And if you did make it to Canada, getting kidnapped back to the USA wasn’t unheard of.

          But in all, the biggest effect was that slaves were 100% dehumanized in the US - something that was not the case anywhere else. US slavery wasn’t just awful, but arguably the worst institutionalized forms of slavery in human history, especially including it’s duration.

          Now, as to why slavery is at the root of why there’s still effects to this day, consider that slaves went from legally not being considered humans, to suddenly being humans by law. Do you think the millions who didn’t see them as humans would change their views just as fast? Even after hundreds of years, there’s still some that don’t view them as humans, but many many more that think of them as lesser. Essentially, the mentality is of imperial Europeans 250+ years ago.

          To downplay that, would be the equivalent of Germany deciding to downplay the Nazi regime.

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            Thank you for painting this vivid picture. Now I understand where I was utterly wrong and where I completely missed the tone.

            The worst form of institutionalized slavery is clear to me and probably that’s why I get attacked here (rightfully).

            I did not change my view on why the slavery still affects US society, but it looks like the conversation should be approached from a different angle as what I have written was inappropriate and ignorant.

            Again, thank you, kind person 🙏

            • Lumisal@lemmy.world
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              I didn’t even cover the after effects, such as when the US military bombed a Black town or secretly infected Blacks with Syphilis, these things being less than 100 years ago, to name a few.

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                secretly infected Blacks with Syphilis

                The Tuskegee experiment was horrible, but the researchers didn’t infect those men with syphilis. They “just” didn’t inform them that they were infected, treat them, or encourage them to seek treatment.