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    I mostly hear people disagree with only the first two. And of course some Trump worshipers with the last one. Some of the rest don’t seem so controversial.

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      IMMIGRANTS ARE (NOT) RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE ILLS OF THE COUNTRY

      C’mon, that’s a classic. Not even MAGA-specific, this has been the favorite of every far-right movememnt.

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        The far right differentiates between illegal aliens and legal migrants. They vocally support those who come legally. That has been my experience.

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          But they also want fewer legal immigrants. Remember the republican rep talking about how she loves watching videos of immigrants being dragged out of their immigration court cases by ICE? Those were people following the process.

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            It’s a distinction that becomes meaningless when ALL headlines talk about “illegals” and spread lies like “illegals voting” and when they deport plenty of migrants, legal or not. And fire the populace up against ALL migrants. Sorry, there’s no legal resp illegal xenophobia, it’s just xenophobia.

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            I don’t know the rep you’re talking about. I don’t disbelieve it, I know there are plenty of racists in every group and movement.

            The conservative voices with large audiences that I have seen are pro legal immigration.

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              I am 70 years old and have NEVER seen a republican group support any kind of migration, except maybe the farmers who want slave labour. GTFOH with this drivel !!

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      The first one is very disagreeable, DC has a nicer transit system than all except for like 2 cities in the US.

      Regarding Ukraine, they’re one of 3 parties that can stop the war and could have done so at any point since the 2014 coup put them on track for this.

      But have a talk with any republican about immigrants, 99% think immigrants are stealing SS, doing crime, taking all the jobs, causing poverty, and increasing healthcare costs.

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        How would Ukraine stop the war in a way they haven’t tried already?
        I’m curious to read your solution.

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          Agree to Russia’s offer that would have Ukraine take back a fraction of its lost territory while Russia keeps the Russian-speaking territory. Maybe even require each state hold a UN-monitored referendum on who to join.

          Its awful if you care about states, but immediate peace is the best option for the people actually living there.

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            So attacking Ukraine, taking Crimea and other parts of Ukraine, waging a war against civilians, bombing cities and the people there, abducting children, torturing prisoners of war, etc. would basically be rewarded by granting them a part of the conquered territory and leaving them off the hook for all the atrocities they’d committed?
            Russia didn’t honor the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum.
            They need to pay - for all of it and big time.
            I can understand why Ukraine doesn’t roll over. The likely price for immediate peace would just be higher than the price of continuing the war and defending themselves.
            Why should Russia be believed to honor any agreement, if they didn’t honor the Budapes Memorandum? How long until another attack by Russia would happen?

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              OK, go to Ukraine and punish Russia. Maybe in another decade and another million dead, the two countries will be able to stop sending their sons to die for some billionaire or another. I’m sure it will all have been worth it.

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                Peace only works, if all parties involved are interested in that.
                If less than all are interested in that, these are the ones at the short end of the stick who get crushed down by the bullies over and over and over…
                Russia need to be made interested in a lasting peace and that is not done by rolling over.

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                  Russia’s calculus to invade Ukraine was based off the assumption that they could win in a few days if they invaded, and if they didn’t invade, they would have a hostile, NATO-backed state on their border.

                  The first has proven hilariously wrong, and the second is only possible if Ukraine remains a buffer.

                  Given that Russia was selling 10y bonds at 17% and wages were skyrocketing due to the war industry tightening the labor market, I’m genuinely quite curious what the local political ramifications will be when Putin doesn’t have a war to distract everyone, his fellow billionaires want to cut wages, and loans start to come due.

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                    Now that’s a comment I can agree with, except for the part about Ukraine being a hostile country.
                    The economic situation in Russia might be even more dire than your post makes it seem. Not only were wages skyrocketing due to the war and the war industry causing a labor shortage. A lot of workers apparently aren’t getting paid and lots of goods have become more expensive, which should lead to a dwindling domestic demand.
                    The transformation from a war industry to a regular one will be painful and I dearly hope there will be a lot of pain added by making Russia pay for the damage they’ve done. Better make them learn the lesson now than at their next attempt.
                    Without the support of especially China, India and North Korea, but also parts of eastern European countries, the Russian economy would already be in shambles.
                    But even with money being made from exporting oil and gas, Russia’s financial reserve went down a lot over the last years.

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            So if I move into your home and beat you every night, you’ll be ok to give me half of your home, maybe even ALL of it ?? Please post your address, imbecile.

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        Regarding Ukraine, they’re one of 3 parties that can stop the war and could have done so at any point since the 2014 coup put them on track for this. WTF is this delirium ?? So you’re saying that anyone ever who is bullied, has the power to stop it anytime??? Murdering the bully may be a solution, but suicide sure the hell is not. What other solutions do you think Ukraine has available to it, you soft skulled, smooth brained, soul-less imbecile?

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        The far right says that about illegal aliens. When they speak of migrants they’re speaking of people who come legally, which they support.

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          Please post one example of republicans supporting migration, other than farmers who just want slave labour, magat. I’m 70 years old, and have never seen such a thing.