Grassroots organization will save us.
I won’t enthusiastically pledge allegiance to that homeless eating ghoul on Nov 3 2027.
I might, MIGHT, begrudgingly vote for the bastard. (If he promises Universal Healthcare) And if he wins I’ll shit on him as much as is warranted. We already know he sucks. He is going to suck immensely. This is known. But we’ll just have to see how it shakes.
if Burnie succeeded in anything, it’s getting the party to at least pretend to be leftist on paper occasionally. accepting the top candidate before the primary is a mistake. make them earn your vote.
Libs are too chicken shit to do that. They’d rather just harass anyone with the mindset of “earn my vote or you don’t get it”.
Dems suffer greatly in finding the greatest shitbags possible who aren’t officially republican.
Vote Blue No Matter Who means they don’t need to find a good candidate, and are free to ratfuck as much as they’d like during primaries. After all, the alternative is a republican, what are you going to do, convince 70 million other people to all vote for the same third party?
VBNMW is Blue MAGA. Treat them as such.
2 years is plenty of time for democrats to get the message ‘i will not vote for anything but a progressive proven to run on progressive policies.’
I hope so. The problem is the Democratic Party would rather lose again than fight for universal healthcare, federally mandated maternity leave, national carbon tax, childcare programs, ending genocide, etc. ; and the democratic voters would rather “vote blue no matter who” than lose to the Republican Party again. So we end up with these establishment corporation oligarchy-asskissing candidates.
If Newsone wants your vote he has 2 years to come up with better policies. Lol but he’s not going to do that. If he wanted your vote he’d rep your positions but he wants to rep other interests.
I think it’s more like the people who say things like “I’ll never vote for a transphobe like Gavin Newsom” when that makes you a Republican.
That obviously does not make you a Republican
I just can’t wait for the protest vote to fuck us again and give us two more years of destruction and erosion of rights.
Then why doesn’t the Democratic Party listen to the protest vote? Are these people too insignificant to care about or so powerful they cost the election, which is it?
Just note it’s best to take our idealism to the primaries- it’s the most effective it will ever be in a race to convince the electorate and the party that internal change needs to happen. It’s hard to make those arguments in the general election because many, many people will move from idealism to pragmatism and are more willing to swallow bitter pills.
Also protest and burn things so take note of that.
“Protest and burn things, but don’t protest or burn your vote otherwise we’ll yell at you for years for using your rights”
Lol
No like vote wisely, or sure don’t, but still commit arson. It’s the gentlemen’s crime after all. All I’m saying is I’m pro arson. Please burn things.
If you don’t want it to be Newsom, you have 2 years to organize and make it someone else.
Wait, wouldn’t it just be way easier to spend that entire time insufferably bitching about everything and criticizing everyone’s faults and then just voting for him in the end anyway?
don’t you mean, not voting at all?
Isn’t it likely in your opinion that if it isn’t for whoever you decide is best it’s the same thing?
No
That’s good. The Dems won’t be getting any more of my votes
Yeah the difference is the people who vote for Trump will kill me with their vote out of stupidity, and/or maliciousness. Those who do not vote will kill me simply to feel superior to those who vote.
Those who do not vote will kill me simply to feel superior to those who vote.
They are privileged to not need a sense of urgency or get respite. Its easy to keep your sense of purity and wait around when your not under siege.
Is the bathwater clean enough yet?
Nope, gotta throw this one away too.
Meanwhile the right controls the country.
OOH OOH I KNOW! We should all argue about if the efforts by [PERSON] to push back on the literal tyrants mobilizing the military against political opponents is actually a good thing or not, and fold our arms performatively if [PERSON] didn’t hit EVERY FUCKING CHECKBOX ON THE MASSIVE SCROLL OF INCLUSION AND PERFECT POLITICS.
Because every time we do that… well, we lose miserable and lose more rights and protections, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN BE SMUG THAT WE DIDN’T SETTLE FOR LESS THAN PERFECT.
We did settle for less than perfect with Biden. How’s that working out? Quit calling dog meat “less than perfect steak”. How about pushing for an actually decent candidate before trying to sell us on getting a shit one.
Several points need to be made.
While Biden was president he passed a list of progressive policies and protections that do not get covered by media, from worker protections and consumer protections and union protections. He was a lame president but he still pushed the needle according to pressure and that’s literally the BEST we can hope for in this environment and people who don’t get that are living in pure dreamland delusion.
The idea is that you keep pushing the system, you get a Biden here and there, and you push the needle. Then sometimes a real progressive gets in power and builds on that progress and takes it further. You don’t make this happen overnight, and as corrupt as the Democratic establishment is, their weakness is they HAVE to bow to popular pressure in some way, even if it’s lame, token appeasement, you start collecting tokens. We had more progress from Democrats than republicans, and sure it would be nice to have something new, but we don’t get there if you lazy fucks keep losing interest and giving up because you get tired of seeing the latest old white dude.
The alternative is what we’re experiencing now.
And he didn’t lead to Trump being elected, Trump was already elected once before, Biden was just filler between social manipulation campaigns by the far-right. Could we have countered those campaigns? Probably not, we had rising right-wing fascism for decades already, and the left mishandled that as well, not being able to read the fucking room broadly.
He was not your bastion of leftist, socialist inclusion. We aren’t getting that, ya’ll need to get your head out of your asses and understand how politics is played and how deep in the shit we are.
While Biden was president he passed a list of progressive policies and protections that do not get covered by media
I’m well aware. He was the best Democratic president since FDR. He was also not a leader. It’s the lack of ability to inspire that helped Trump. You don’t get inspiration without good policy, but good policy isn’t sufficient. Also, good policy isn’t great policy, and 2020 was a time when we absolutely needed greatness. Pushing the needle was not enough.
The fascist movement in this country (actually the world) didn’t spontaneously manifest from nothing. Republicans crafted it in the vacuum left behind by weak Democrats. Any Democrat not willing to voice the reality that our enemy is the oligarchy is just more vacuum.
The idea is that you keep pushing the system, you get a Biden here and there, and you push the needle.
Who’s idea? Why the fuck should we get our ideas from a party establishment that has completely failed to manifest that vision for over half a century? We’ve been “moving the needle” for decades and the problems have only gotten worse. Nevermind the morality of calling for patience while people suffer and die; the bigger problem is that it just doesn’t work. How many times does that have to be demonstrated?
they HAVE to bow to popular pressure in some way,
How about doing it in a way that does some good? What about public pressure to stop a genocide? What about public pressure to stand up to corporations? What about showing leadership and inspiring some public pressure of their own?
Anyways, public pressure isn’t what they bow to. The entire strategy of the Democratic establishment is to serve their wealthy benefactors while giving just enough to the populous to stay in office. Biden was a better president only because he happened to be elected at a time when the populous was demanding more. His handlers allowed him to do those things, because they thought it would be enough to appease the masses.
sure it would be nice to have something new
Would be nice? You really just don’t get it. Suffering and death are what we are talking about here. Our society is crumbling because people are being crushed and the planet itself is breaking. Frankly, you can shove “nice” up your ass. The world desperately needs real change.
but we don’t get there if you lazy fucks keep losing interest
Fuck you too. That’s not what happened. That’s never what happens. That’s establishment bullshit lies. Despite being constantly shit on and cheated, progressives are the most reliable voting bloc in the country, not to mention the vast majority of small dollar donors and practically the entire Democratic ground game.
Biden was just filler between social manipulation campaigns by the far-right.
“Filler” is the best description of Biden’s presidency I’ve seen yet. That’s exactly what he will be remembered as.
ya’ll need to get your head out of your asses and understand how politics is played and how deep in the shit we are.
We need to get our heads out of our asses? Maybe people backing the very strategies that led us here should consider where their own heads are located.
Sorry but I read that whole thing as “I am a victim whaa whaa I expect someone to come do something”
You baby. You are a child.
Wake up, use the tools you have. We have broken politics and broken people running shit so you either do what you can to use what’s given to you or you shut up and don’t complain when they send drones after you for looking at porn.
FFS I’m not talking to pathetic victims. Bye.
- Vetos a bill to cap insulin prices.
- Vetos bills to build social and LGBTQ+ teen housing
- Vetos a bill to provide hearing-aids to kids
- Vetos a bill to make the rich pay taxes
- Ran on a single-payer healthcare system, then immediately backes down
- Vetos a bill to let striking workers keep their insurance
- Vetos a bill that banned employers from retalliating against picketers
- Proudly does a photo-op while destroying peoples homes
BUT AT LEAST WE CAN BE SMUG THAT WE DIDN’T SETTLE FOR LESS THAN PERFECT.
I’m not sure you understand what the word “Perfect” means. We’re not asking for an angel, we’re only asking for a candidate that isn’t a monster. But the Democrats refuse to let us have that as an option.
Sorry to break this to you, but we’re down in the fucking deep end now. We’re getting another monster because everyone has been like this forever. If not that monster, than another one. The system, if there still is one in a few years, is not going to flex where you want it. All of this is a consequence.
I have been saying for decades that if we keep pushing the needle towards social progress we will get there eventually, but liberals don’t want it pushed further, and leftists don’t want to be patient and plant trees they won’t sit in the shade of, etc, and didn’t want to keep up constant, consistent pressure, they want the perfect socialist Jesus to come turn the US into a perfect, racism-free country overnight… OR NOTHING.
Enjoy your nothing people.
This… so much this…
This is why I proudly left my local chapter of the Socialist Party of the USA.
Always aiming too high and never chasing the realistic goals I kept pointing out.
Leader of said chapter actually condemned Bernie Sanders for “refusing to encourage violence against the police” as if that was even slightly realistic to expect.
Fuck him.
Right now is the only time to look for perfect, so why settle with fascism-lite instead of fighting for social democracy?
Vote your ideals in the primary then hold your nose and vote for the furthest left candidate no matter who they are in the election.
This… we are looking at the very real possibility of Trump 2028 unless we support Gavin. I hate it… but that’s what it looks like.
If trump is allowed to run again, then the constitution does not matter and, likely, the elections would not matter.
Absolutely vote for whatever your personal issue is in the primary. Make your voice heard and let the candidates know about it.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don’t give a fuck if the Dem doesn’t like your issue, I’ll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don’t give a fuck if the Dem doesn’t like your issue, I’ll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Unless he’s Zohran, then we clutch pearls and support the corrupt creepy predator guy.
I’ve heard this brought up a lot. First of all, fuck Cuomo. Any rational person should be supporting Zohran over any of the other candidates.
But also, is there an actual worry about the ticket getting split or non-votes and allowing the Republican to win? That’s essentially what “vote Blue” is about.
Also, progressives have one candidate that is obviously better than the alternative, even if they don’t like both. Moderates aren’t necessarily convinced. It’s just a different argument.
Although, if they are and they still just don’t like them, I’m 100% telling them to get off their ass and vote to stop the nazis.
is there an actual worry about the ticket getting split or non-votes and allowing the Republican to win
Nope. The Republican candidate is perennial loser and insanely racist vigilante Curtis Sliwa. Nobody thinks he has a chance, including himself. He’s purely in it for the PR and donations.
That’s essentially what “vote Blue” is about.
Nope. That’s their excuse to force “electable” (read: right wing and corrupt) candidates on voters who would much rather have someone who’ll faithfully represent their wants and needs but scared of getting someone even worse.
Adams the fascist cop (but I repeat myself) won his primaries by a fraction of a percentage (after a full court press propaganda campaign on his behalf by both major parties and all NYC-based MSM) and they were immediately falling over each other to declare him “the future of the party”
Mamdani beats the establishment favorite in a surprise landslide and they’re all pretending that he’s a communist terrorist that somehow snuck in against the will of everyone.
The “Vote Blue No Matter Who” is in fact about keeping Republicans out of power. I’ve been telling people to vote blue no matter who in reference to Mamdani, who is supported by the vast majority of state and federal democrats and trouncing all other candidates combined in polls including the Trump supporting third party Cuomo.
The reason there is a perceived rift is because monied powers such as Israel and China WANT there to be a rift.
If that’s what it is about it failed. We need to move on.
Yeah, it is failing, because people aren’t doing it, and the result is Republicans keep winningm
That’s not going to change unless the DNC changes first.
I mean some are, and their support of Cuomo is worthy of condemnation. But it’s worth pointing out ‘vote blue no matter who’ cuts both ways and 100% it means Mamdani.
Broadly I hate the whole ‘party’ system and getting stuck with a ‘team sport’ mentality, but at least for now, for the national races I have to be pragmatic and steer into the skid of party politics. The local/state level I can afford to be more nuanced as for now, neither big party is as scary locally as the GOP is federally.
but at least for now
For now can last longer then any of us have been alive. Have you considered raising your standards?
Sure, but Gavin Newsom might very well also be a Nazi. If you’re from California, then you’re probably aware that he’s not exactly defending the the sanctuary state that he’s been charged to lead. He’s also kind of giving mayors carte blanche (and State-level support) to “clean up” homeless encampments, and he’s publicly stated that he doesn’t believe that “trans athletes should be allowed to compete against girls” in and interview with Charlie Kirk, and then recently doubled down on that.
So what do you do when both Candidates want to fuck the world?
Obviously the fascist party is accelerating things quickly, but the Democrats aren’t doing anything to slow it down. Just as in every single case of a fascist takeover ever, the liberals enable the fascists. They keep trying to shift to the right to “capture voters” which literally has never worked, but they keep trying. Why?
i can’t believe after the dissolution of checks and balances and the ongoing kidnapping of hispanic people nationwide we’re still having this conversation.
obviously newsom is actively awful. but calling it “both candidates want to fuck the world” is so narrow-minded knowing everything that is happening to america every day right now.
it’s frustrating to be an american and be given two choices who both suck. one choice sucks so much more. not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.
I don’t think “sucks so much more” is all that accurate though. Both candidates do want to fuck the world.
Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were Drone-Striking kids? Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were mass-deporting people? Where were the Checks and balances for torture programs, killing americans, giving our tax money to their rich friends, building out surveillance programs, backing a genocide, etc?
Yes, one side is worse, but the supposed “opposition” is doing everything they can to get as close to the worse side as they can.
There are no small wins anymore. Harm reduction is important, but it’s also important to understand what is happening right now. That’s all I’m saying. The Democrats will not be your salvation, they will be your slow demise. The Republicans will be your quick demise. People need to take to the streets, not the ballots. If you can’t see that, then you’re still living in the past. Listen to yourself: “compete dissolution of checks and balances” but you still think we can reform it all better?
C’mon, you don’t seem to be that out of the loop. Surely you get it by now? I don’t think you deserve to have a master
not the ballots
Go to the ballots and vote for who you want. Will it be sufficient, dunno, but it is absolutely needed to put in at least that effort.
Historically non-democratic means of overthrowing a previously democratic systems do not end well…
And why is this even a conversation now? There is literally no reason for anyone to care about the 2028 election. I mean hell, in all likelihood you won’t even get to have real elections in 2028 at this rate, so now in 2025 go do something about it.
I’ll even donate to change their mind,
That… makes no sense.
Giving politicians money to change their mind is straight up how Dems operate. They’re barely even shy about it.
Guys…he might hate trans and homeless people, but check out those dank memes his staffer is posting.
Damn he did two things I don’t agree with? Guess I’ll passively support the guy who does everything I disagree with then.
He has faught against ranked choice voting everytime he has had the chance.
There are lots of reasons to dislike Newsom. His office’s mockery of Trump isn’t one of them. It’s possible to cheer him for that and dump on him for the other things.
Yeah, praising someone’s action is not an endorsement of their whole person. I asked this to someone who claimed the stunt wasn’t funny because Newsom sucks:
Would you not laugh if RFK Jr punched Trump in the face?