The only way to ever stop this is to unmask who has been pushing for it for the last 20 years or so. They keep throwing these law proposals, while hiding unnamed.
Ideally, rather than unmasking them, we need to publish their home addresses, business deals, details of their private lives, passwords, private photos and porn browsing habits, for all the public to see. Who needs privacy? If they’ve done nothing wrong, they have nothing to hide.
I don’t live in the EU but this will affect me in some way and there is similar shit happening here where I live. What can I do to help?
Your messages will still be scanned because you do send them to somebody who falls under the European authority at some point and if you send something that gets flagged incorrectly you might end up with an interpol arrest notice and when you visit an interpol airport you’ll get arrested and could technically be deported to be judged and imprisoned in a country you don’t reside.
It’s not only images but ideas that will be scanned :)
I figured.
Why not pursue the pedophiles that are known instead of trying to find new ones? Leaders don’t do anything helpful with the information they are given already.
What are you talking about. Like specifically, as this place is becoming a conspiracy place no different than the right wing nutters.
In germany there were reporters who uncovered that the police doesn’t delete CP. They also showed that deleting the content from CP networks could be automated and was effective at reducing the number of active members.
I’m not German and had to translate the article and do some searching but from a cursory search I’ve found the following points I’d like addressed.
The BKA reportedly faces legal limitations in deleting content directly. Under German law, only the platform operators or hosting providers are authorized to remove content. The BKA can only request the removal, and if the provider does not comply, legal proceedings are necessary.
The BKA’s resources are limited, and prioritization is necessary. The article suggests that the BKA may focus on cases with higher chances of prosecution or those involving more severe exploitation.
Many dark web platforms are hosted outside Germany, complicating enforcement actions. International cooperation is often required, which can be time-consuming and legally complex.
In the interest of Occam’s razor. Do you think it’s likely a mixture of the above or all the police are pedos and covering up something.
Just for reference an explanation from the video docu which accompanied the initial release a couple of years ago. The forum and the content are separate. The content is stored on common platforms (i.e. google drive, …) and anyone with the share link can access it. The server owner (domain owner) is usually known which gives a contact to report this issue to. Just the forum where these links are shared is hidden behind anonymity and prosecutors like BKA try to catch the people responsible for its existence. The latest release showed that reporting the content was an effective way to reduce activity in these forums and some even closed outright.
The goal isn’t to delete the content directly. A reporter team of two was able to automatically compile a list of links where the content is hosted. Sending these lists to the cloud storage providers proved a very effective way of “deleting” it. Apparently they are required to delete such content once it is reported to them. (Iirc this was under european law.)
And to answer your point, sending emails to server administrators should be within the legal capabilities of the BKA.This undeniably binds some resources of the BKA. They were open in communicating this and if I could give the required money and personal to them by voting I would. Unfortunately raising awareness for the issue is all I can do at the moment, as there is no election here in the near future. Let’s hope they do as they said and adjust their processes in this regard. A compromise could be that the content is reported after the legal process from closing the forum is complete.
Technically correct but the reporter team mentioned no trouble in communicating the issue even to international providers as the content in question is stored in the clear net where contact information is no secret.
And to your last point I totally agree that a combination of issues is likely the reason nothing is done about it. But they keep promising that they will change this. Unfortunately a two person team showed that there is a difference between saying processes would be changed and actually changing them.
I also don’t agree with the initial premise of the prior comment, that “people in power” don’t pursue predators with intent. Seemingly I overestimated how relevant this example was to the premise. To me the fact that a seemingly easily implementable solution not used to full effect is all I am mad about. I don’t want this platform to become a right wing conspiracy platform either, too many exist already.
Can we all just use our own ciphers / code words? Kinda tired of all these backdooring shenanigans.
Don’t reinvent the wheel when strong encryption already exists. But if this passes, it will be up to each individual user to secure themselves.
Encryption is irrelevant if they have keyloggers logging every keystroke before it is even encrypted.
Linux and pgp has entered the chat
I am on linux mint on my desktop snd rarely used laptop. All what is left is my phone.
It is a Samsung s23… with no graphene OS and I got a fucking year before paying it all off. My next phone MUST be degoogled. I need new emails that aren’t linked to my Google account in any shape or form, and I only use Gmail through my desktop when needed.
Moto G 5G 2024 (anywhere from $140 to $200 USD) is the cheapest phone I’ve found so far that supposedly allows bootloader unlocking. But you’ll need to request unlock codes from Motorola. Supported by Lineage OS and CalyxOS (Calyx has temporarily paused development)
Nothing phone 1 & 2 and CMF 2 also has custom rom support, but its hard to find them now adays, and the 3 and newer doesn’t seem to have custom roms bult for them yet.
That was my old phone… before a single drop of water destroyed it (no fucking joke!) Otherwise I would have transition to graphene OS or other more private platforms.
The problem with that solution is that if like 1% of the people use encryption, the use of encryption in itself suggests that the individual is doing something that warrants investigation.
hmmm, there’s also PGP. And Conversation is still able to use it.
Someone needs to make a pocket encryption computer. We type the message in this device, encrypt, then display the ciphertext on screen, the use the phone and OCR it then send. Voila, try backdoor this!
Aside from writing to politicians, you could all fill in the public consultation right here (if you are an EU citizen):
There is an advice for filling it out in pdf form, making suggestions as how to answer, however answer how you feel about things foremost.
Thanks aforehand for doing your part!
What if I am Canadian?
Donate to the EFF? Spread the word?
Have Canada join the EU?
Before that, help spread the word!
I have contacted my MEPs and my country is against chat control.
Are there any other things I can do to help?
I am in canada, I have to do something. What can I do?
That also depends if the MEPs are pro eu like most right right politicans they pretty much ignore you if they get to become MEPs. You are pretty much air if you voted them that’s why i would rather vote for a communist than a economic liberal.
It’s frustrating but it seems there’s no stopping it. These traitors will continue pushing for different variations of this until one passes.
We need to pass something that bans these types of bills or establishes some rights that prevents this.
What you see is also in part how the EU legislative process operates. There are very very long backs and forwards within the commission and with the committees, with proposals that sometimes improve and sometimes worsen (this particular one is an absolute disaster), until some form of consensus is reached.
There simply is an agreement that something should be done about the online distribution of CSAM, and so they’ll keep coming up with new ideas until something gives, or someone manages to spread the idea that simply nothing should be done about it.
The most effective way to fight this might be to build consensus around a less criminally insane way to do this.
The most effective way to fight this might be to build consensus around a less criminally insane way to do this.
There fundamentally is no less criminally insane way to do this. After WW2, there was a consensus in germany to not surveil its own citizens (as had happened during the Nazi times). This EU proposal goes starkly against that, and seemingly ignores all of the other blatant problems. The EU commission gets paid a shitload of money per year sothat they make meaningful proposals. This is hardly it. They need to prove they’re worth their salt by doing basic thinking and figuring out that such a proposal as is now on the table is not even worth being discussed, it should be discarded immediately.
There is fundamentally no less criminally insane way to combat the circulation of CSAM? Then the council may have a point after all…
actually i don’t think the council has a point
There simply is an agreement that something should be done about the online distribution of CSAM
For the protection of children, it’s essential that nobody makes money by distributing CSAM, because where money is to be made, somebody will do it. This calls for regulations on payment processors to ensure no illegal businesses are served by them.
Fortunately, AI kinda solves this because just like artists can’t sell art anymore if AI spits out more content at practically no cost, neither can CSAM be sold if AI spits it out at practically no cost. As such, the business dries out. And that’s what matters.
There might be. This website makes the process of emailing your representatives very easy.
I heavily changed the text they proposed in the hopes that it would be read. Just sent it now. If you’re in the EU it’s worth sending the email IMO.
The constitution in Ireland guarantees privacy in the home so I added that into the mix.
done! that site makes it incredibly easy, thank you.
So proud that my country is already opposing! Don’t have to do anything now (except for spreading the word, naturally).
It’s the government’s job, we pay them for it, why should I be wasting my time for free to do their job, after all? Just fire your governments and hire someone better suited for the task!
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5 july foundation wrote a blogpost about why we should send postcards instead:
Here is your chance to put pressure on MEPs to stick to their no to Chat Control 2 in a simple way.
As we have previously reported, there are signs that the European Parliament’s unanimous no to Chat Control 2 may be loosening - now that the EU elections are behind us.
So they may need some external pressure. This often happens with various email campaigns - which can easily be dismissed as spam and mass mailings.
However, something that usually bites is physical mail. Thousands of emails are the order of the day when things get heated in the European Parliament. But 25 physical letters are considered a public outcry.
It’s a good idea. I still have time off their offices are in the country. Cheers.
Would you know where to send them? I think I can plan to ship a few in the coming days
I believe you can find the contactinfo here
I tried do it today and email got rejected by the recipient.
Maybe many of them have already put a filter list to thrown the email directly to spam or not even be accepted by the mta.
Yeah I got the same but only for a subset. Nearly all of them went through so maybe that happened for you too?
And we keep pushing back.
In what way? We’re paying them to hurt us over and over again, and nothing we can do as they’re an unelected patriciate.
historically, strikes and labor movements.
Seems like this time around we only know this because of a leaked memo. We have very little power to push back and the people representing the countries in the EU are not even elected by the people.
EU commission is one of the most undemocratic institutes that dares call itself democratic.
They also mandated online age checks this year as a last minute amendement to an unrelated dossier (1).
They’re selfserving autocrats.
At this point, i think civically pushing back is the wrong way. They need to understand that such behavior is abusive and needs to stop. I think throwing bricks would be the better way of “pushing back” here. I.e., we say NO once, maybe twice, but the third time we throw bricks. The current shitshow is unacceptable. Even a toddler would behave more sensible than the EU commission. What the heck do we need that trainwreck of an organization for? They get paid a shitload of money while being the stupidest, most arrogant and removed from reality people i know.
Let’s just say: No traitors -> No pushing
there is stopping it. weren’t you euros the ones that invented the guillotine?
I tried to send the email via fightchatcontrol and my email got rejected due “recipient policy”. Has anyone’s email got through recently?
Copy the mail and recipient adresses, then send them manually.
I had the same with outlook, my account got blocked until I verified it again… It will work if you send to few Representatives at a time. For example, I sent 3 mails with 5 representatives each
I felt a great disturbance in the fediverse, as if millions of XMPP and Matrix servers suddenly relocated to Mexico and Canada.
Matrix over tor or i2p. In theory it should work. I don’t think there is any implementation ready for it. But I hope I gets done quickly.
XMPP can be hosted over TOR.
Find a yank you can trust and have him set you up a vps and a relay.
Hell, it might be how I fund my retirement.
How are you going to connect to those servers behind the European Freedom ™ protecting firewall?
Who’s to connect to?
blocked by The
GreatBigly SupremeAmericanTrump FirewallSoon we’ll all be the slaves we pretend we aren’t already.
A sad truth is that countries like China and Russia are using these techniques everywhere to counter domestic uprisings and also to support their subterfuge against the west.
What is the credible EU counter to that that wouldn’t destroy privacy? I cannot think of anything.
I don’t support this legislation, but I’m feeling uneasy about how weak we are in this sense.
Leave the EU, why even bother, it’s voted NO and 2 years later, they make us vote again on it. We need to defend ourselves every time but they only need to win once.
This is basic abusive behavior. Asking somebody again and again after they’ve already clearly said NO until they get a yes. Such a relationship is not a healthy relationship. If this issue gets discussed again, the EU should be classified as a non-consensual power structure, and the people should revolt against it. Leave the EU.
Or at least clarify that national law must take precedence before EU law again.
Ah, yes
Because the options are better
We have:
- oligarchy (dubai)
- Jesus land
- UK
If you don’t want chat control, just fucking vote for other politicans
just fucking vote for other politicans
This is where we were at just a year ago. Make the right choice, Europe. Learn from our mistakes, really.
Signed,
sigh
An American
And go where? Stop being a pussy, if people keep running eventually there won’t be any “free” countries left to run to.
So… the single digits of countries opposing this should leave… so that everyone else can have this backdoor implemented? Wonderful idea! /s
unironically yes, if they want it, they can get it.
Leave where to exactly. Need to know as fascists are on the rise again. Please.
Leave to a better variant of the EU. Tear it down, then build it up again, with the important rule in place that national law precedes EU law, i.e. countries can’t be forced by the EU to do something that the people in that country don’t like.
This is what we had before EU you dork lol.
Wait what? Like i would love to have a better working EU as i am happy with many aspects of it but aside from voting and protesting i am unsure how to push for real reform.
