I’ve settled on the word “progressive” as being the best general word for this.
The problem is that, outside of politics, “liberal” is the opposite of “conservative”. “Add a liberal amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too much”, while “Add a conservative amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too little”.
But in politics, sometimes, “liberal” literally means “conservative”. Especially in Europe, it is associated with free market capitalism. But in America, it is not generally associated with it.
On the other hand, the meaning of “progressive” is basically the same everywhere, political or otherwise, and it has a common-sense opposite meaning from conservative, unlike “left”.
Yeah, even in Canada our Liberal party is just centrist. The only times they actually enact anything progressive is when our left wing party (NDP) push them to
That is across the west, the non-conservative parties have all been taken over by conservatives. Better than the other guy is generally their only selling point. Which has allowed the conservative parties to become rabidly extreme and still win elections. These European countries still think they are immune even while fascism is on their doorstep gaining voteshare every election as they refuse to offer any reform.
Progressives and radicals are always ahead of the Liberals, so the Liberals shouldn’t get credit for simply eventually giving way to the ideas of other ideologies.
There’s a plethora of progressive ideas that Liberals still refuse to give into. Universal Education, Healthcare, Four day week, Modern Monetary Theory, Free Public Transport, the end of the prison system, community based policing, addiction as a health problem.
Plenty of Liberals still rallying against progressive and radical ideas… Some of which will be deemed Liberal ideas once they become accepted.
I mean…… I would say most of this is leftists not liberals, but perhaps that’s splitting hairs a bit
I’ve settled on the word “progressive” as being the best general word for this.
The problem is that, outside of politics, “liberal” is the opposite of “conservative”. “Add a liberal amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too much”, while “Add a conservative amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too little”.
But in politics, sometimes, “liberal” literally means “conservative”. Especially in Europe, it is associated with free market capitalism. But in America, it is not generally associated with it.
On the other hand, the meaning of “progressive” is basically the same everywhere, political or otherwise, and it has a common-sense opposite meaning from conservative, unlike “left”.
Yeah, even in Canada our Liberal party is just centrist. The only times they actually enact anything progressive is when our left wing party (NDP) push them to
That is across the west, the non-conservative parties have all been taken over by conservatives. Better than the other guy is generally their only selling point. Which has allowed the conservative parties to become rabidly extreme and still win elections. These European countries still think they are immune even while fascism is on their doorstep gaining voteshare every election as they refuse to offer any reform.
Progressives and radicals are always ahead of the Liberals, so the Liberals shouldn’t get credit for simply eventually giving way to the ideas of other ideologies.
There’s a plethora of progressive ideas that Liberals still refuse to give into. Universal Education, Healthcare, Four day week, Modern Monetary Theory, Free Public Transport, the end of the prison system, community based policing, addiction as a health problem.
Plenty of Liberals still rallying against progressive and radical ideas… Some of which will be deemed Liberal ideas once they become accepted.
This is worse than splitting hairs, its propaganda designed to split the non-maga vote. Please stop.
Ok… sure bud