I respect people’s right to use apple products, but please stop asserting “privacy”, big corps doesn’t give a shit.
After using GrapheneOS on a gigantic fucking Android pixel model, I think I’m gravitating back towards the third option and the iphone mini I haven’t dared to sell yet. I think I’ll just do the things that needs privacy on my computer in the future.
I hear Linux phones are close for daily driver stuff. Gonna try one when I am ready for a phone.
Pretty disappointed in my 2 year old pixel, regardless of Googles continued enshitification
Have you looked into GrapheneOS support for your device?
Sucks that it only works on Pixels for the most part. I’ve never paid that much for a phone, and I ain’t starting now lol
I got to expense mine, wouldn’t pay that much if i had to actually pay lol
Maybe get used? That way you don’t support Google and it doesn’t cost too much. Not sure how much mine cost, I got it as a gift from my mother who’s pretty good about finding sales for things, although it was brand-new.
If not that then people seem to see CalyxOS as a decent alternative.
Not CalyxOS right now.
https://calyxos.org/news/2025/08/01/a-letter-to-our-community/I went with /e/OS, and it works well, even bank apps.
Let me put this here:
Murena (the ppl behind /e/ OS) feed your data to LLMs, and there’s also telemetry.
Stop exaggerating. The OpenAI speech-to-text service is a paid extra you don’t accidentally switch on, and telemetry is off by default and hidden in the developer options menu.
(But yeah, OpenAI was a disgusting choice. The default should have been local, even if it’s worse.)
FYI, I just got LineageOS on a cheap Motorola phone ($140 USD, but you need a PC to do the install)
Nice! I have a PC! I’m just very cheap!
@chocrates @DeathByBigSad If you’re already used to Linux desktop, I’d even venture to say that Linux phones are daily drivable for you in this order: #FLX1s from @furilabs, #JollaC2, #LibertyPhone, #Librem5, #Pinephone.
I’m daily driving a #Librem 5 with #postmarketOS and everything critical actually works for my use case.
Awesome! Yeah I run Ubuntu at home for years. Sadly back to Mac at work
What a weird strawman
Google literally copied this from Apple.
Lol what?
What are the consequences for Lineage OS?
Installing non-approved apps on custom roms will still work.
It won’t affect you in any way directly. The issue is it very well may affect what apps are available and regularly updated on Fdroid and other app stores or repos.
I get it, it’s bad for the ecosystem in general.
Dire, from what I gathered
That’s a damn shame.
Dumb phones, has anyone tried: https://sunbeamwireless.com/ ?
Interesting. Looks to be based on Android AOSP which kind of puts you in the same boat. Th price tag kind of hurts as well at $250 give or take depending on features.
apple stans are built different.
they will bend over backwards insistently to defend apple on every. single. issue. relentlessly.
apple marketing did get into their heads in a weird cultish kind of way. i’ve met a couple irl, they are kind of scary to think about.
Comparatively they are better. Its a duopoly in terms of mobile OSs and one is made by a company who mines data and sells ads as its core. The other sells hardware and subscriptions.
I use linux and I wish for a full featured marketable linux phone someday that can compete but with privacy they absolutely beat google.
I have never owned an iphone amd I am currently debating on getting a pixel to move to gOS.
I’m all for linux, I miss the market before iPhone domination. Weird ass symbian phones, windows phones, nokia taco phones, there was all sorts of stuff. I wish we could have a market like that with lots of diverse phones that all run different operating systems. I also wish we could step away from app stores and we could just start building websites again, phones are fast enough now
The problem is not with Android its with Google But apparently android is from Google even though its open source. Sure, linux phones are nice but they are nowhere near stable.
The problem is we do everything with mobile phones now even banking and security is a big lead here The Banking apps may need to make sure each and every linux phones are secure and may not have any loopholes Which is tedious Even installing a custom rom can hinder the default security sometimes. If any problems arise neither linux phones nor banks can give any warranty As of now android is more secure and stable and theres a lot of time ahead of linux phones to succeed
The fact that there are only two operating systems and both are locked down is a major problem. Unless a company like Valve invests heavily in a linux phone it is unlikely to ever go mainstream enough for developer or device support.
We need governments and legislators to force these systems open. To enshrine the right to control the things you own and criminalize any attempt to curb people’s ownership or control. That is the first step. Once that’s in place, the environment for a third option to exist will be in place.
There are more than these 2, they are just ubiquitous.
Sailfish is another one, UBPorts, Danctnix, … They have no marketshare worth considering for companies so they lock their services down to the 2 big ones and everything else in their eyes is “unsupported” at best and “not secure” at worst.
ITT
“I give up”
Assuming there will still be a way for devs to run apps without store BS. Won’t this just push users to run the apps the same way? All they’re threatening with is that they will no longer provide updates or security screening or something, which will be even better for backward compatibility. If this forces enough users to learn enough devops just this once to enter the paradise that is free from corporate security theatre you bet your ass they’re not going back
I wanna run away to live with dogs like Diogenes. I’ll live in a basket and piss and shit in the streets. No spyware phone required.
Apple is kicking and screaming all the way on this side loading path.
As soon as Google got away with it, Apple will refer to Google and happily claim an even playfield and everyone is left holding the shortest stick.
Wow, that’s so cool OP that you think we should be allowed to use apple products
Yeah I find it hilarious that anyone thinks apple cares about privacy. They clearly have been cultivating that image but it rings pretty hollow to me. They just chose something that would be easy to say they care about that an ad company clearly also doesn’t care about.
They care about privacy as they consider themselves the owner of your data.
Like all of this is untrue? You can have you iPhone or whatever at to encrypt shit locally and Apple has no ownership of the data? This obviously comes with tradeoffs, but people are so effing uninformed and apparently riding the dick of google as hard as they can.
It’s better than that. Encryption is always enabled for anything stored on icloud. Like you can’t turn it off
Yes, but normally Apple has keys to that, you can enable further encryption, so you own your own keys. This has some additional considerations, but if you want to make is very very hard for anyone to access your data, that’s what you do. Or I guess get an android and load in to google cliud, I’m sure that will be fine!
I’m so so so so soooooooo over the what phone do you have debate, and now apparently we’ve entered a new one where people who seemingly don’t know anything are making trash memes. Joy.
Meanwhile the rest of the world is a burning pile of shit. Congrats, ‘dumb’ phone people and whoever else thinks they are hot shit. You’re not, and this is all pointless.
Apple has the keys though I less you use advanced data protection.
They have the keys for your account, yes. The data is another story if you turn on Advanced Data Protection. In that case, they could access your account but the data would be useless.
They do not have encryption keys or a backdoor (that we know of) for your physical device. So if you don’t use iCloud and adjust privacy settings you can stay reasonably private on an iPhone. At least more so than on Android.
Without defending one or the other, as long as you have proprietary closed software running on the device itself or on the backend of the services it syncs with, all you can have is assumptions and reasonable doubt about how the data is used. We’re trading convenience for someone knowing something about us.
