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cm0002@lemmy.world to Political Memes@lemmy.world · 2 days ago

Just 200 more trillion

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    What is your basis for this $600 billion figure, even $600 billion over two years is far more than all of these companies are spending.

    The estimates I’ve aware of $.01 - $.10 per query. Google processes about 10 trillion queries a year at an estimate of $.001. There is no LLM processing anything close to that volume and that’s the only way to get to $600 billion.

    $60 billion sounds far more reasonable give the number of LLM queries that has been published against the published costs. Thats a big enough number, no need to juice it.

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      Training is the expensive part. There are also hordes of developers either developing the LLMs themselves or something to work with an LLM, and theyre often quite well-paid.

      I don’t trust a random unsourced figure either but queries likely aren’t even half the total cost.

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      Thank you for realizing what most AI fans fails to realize!

      60 billion is a pretty reasonable ballpark for what AI companies are making. It’s closer to 50b annualized (so 35b for real) in 2025 , but same ballpark. What they’re actually SPENDING is an entirely different number. The 600 billion is a quick-and-dirty extrapolation from this sum of capital expenditure by the 5 biggest AI companies. Note that OpenAI direct spending isn’t in there, because they’re not reporting it, but OpenAI is mostly Microsoft.

      Some adding up from the WSJ top-4 here for 2024: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/tech-giants-double-down-on-their-massive-ai-spending-b3040b33

      130 billion from microsoft: https://www.cfodive.com/news/microsoft-capex-grow-slower-rate-cfo-ai/746947/

      75 billion from alphabet here: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/04/alphabet-expects-to-invest-about-75-billion-in-capex-in-2025.html

      72 billion from meta here: https://fortune.com/article/meta-q1-earnings-revenue-profit-beat-ai-capex-raise

      11 b from tesla: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-expects-capital-expenditure-exceed-11-bln-2026-2027-2025-01-30

      And the same from apple: https://finbox.com/NASDAQGS:AAPL/explorer/capex/

      That brings us to a quick 600b in 2 years in expenses, which are climbing, and some 50b in income, with absolutely zero profit. And that’s a problem, because all that capex is not infrastructure, it’s mostly consumable GPUs that will be worn out in a few years and insane salaries.

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        Seems reasonable. If the price I have to pay is to step over my fellow citizens who happen to be experiencing an involuntary outdoor lifestyle, that’s fine.

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