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    Those same managers eleven seconds later when they get an ad for a new startup making the same obviously empty promises as the last startup:

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    Does AI cost more than humans primarily because of greed (i.e the AI companies demand a high profit margin now) or because of energy costs (i.e AI is so wasteful with energy, so polluting, that it costs more than human workers)

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      Given the ai companies are running at a loss, it’s fair to assume which of these is likely

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          Precisely. The question then is, which one is the main driver? I think it does fall on energy cost/the ridiculous scale of infrastructure they’ve decided is required to sustain AI companies.

          Conclusion (for a luddite) is that One could cripple AI companies if simply prevented them from finishing their data centre every time. Goodness, it’s like a RTS strategy game where you have to build a monument to win the game.

          If the other one is the main driver of this, purely an inflated profit margin, it indicates that AI is already collapsing and they’re desperately trying to scrape more venture capital off the back of the businesses that haven’t clued-in the how ineffective AI usually is.

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        This is a common myth, inference is not typically run at a loss, despite claims. It’s only a loss if you include staff and ongoing training costs. They could lock in their models now and be profitable if they wanted to.

        Edit: I see the comment above has changed (or I misread initially) to say the companies are running at a loss rather than inference running at a loss. Yes, that’s extremely true. Now my comment doesn’t make any sense and is irrelevant so feel free to ignore my pedantry.

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          Yes, and let’s also not count all the investments in infrastructure because you know… like training and staff it’s not a real cost that’s essential to the business.

          Anyways, you wouldn’t happened to have heard that from Anthropocene or OpenAI?

          Somehow we don’t have any actual indisputable numbers (I wonder why) but it is actually quite controversial and some of those who have done deep research on the subject are saying inference IS run at a loss and it might not get profitable ever.

          https://www.ft.com/content/fce77ba4-6231-4920-9e99-693a6c38e7d5?syn-25a6b1a6=1

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            We do have numbers from comparably sized Chinese models.

            Yes, every AI company is bleeding money, they’re not healthy in any way. But inference by itself is profitable, based on everything that we know.

            Inference + amortizing the training costs is NOT profitable, which is what most people are talking about.

            This is easily fixed by not releasing a slightly different version every month.

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          You know that wouldn’t happen. Which AI company wants to be the one that says, “we’re happy with where the model is at right now” and stops throwing cash into the boiler of the investor hype train and let their competitors exceed them in real or imagined metrics? Clearly firms like Anthropic have to rely on circus marketing tricks like “This model is too dangerous for the general public to see! Ooooh scary! Coming Soon!”, and they can’t do that without continuous training.

          For you and I, the offline models aren’t too bad for getting little side projects started, but for major AI firms, the ongoing training cost for the next model and the one after that has become ingrained into the operating model.

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            I’m aware! I’m not saying they are healthy in any way. I’m just correcting that specific misinformation, because truth is important.

            These companies are fucked if they keep operating the way they currently are, and I strongly suspect it’s all going to pop like the dotcom bubble, but worse.

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          “Inference is not typically run at a loss”

          Bro thats called cherry picking

          Businesses work on cash in cash out

          Right now AI companies make way less cash than they spend overall when you dont include investments

          Furthermore, most people use a free version of AI and would stop using it if it cost them anything

          Explain how to pivot to profit when the investments dry up, were all waiting

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            Furthermore, most people use a free version of AI and would stop using it if it cost them anything

            Do companies tend to use the free version too?

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            I’m not saying they’re healthy, I’m saying that inference is the one profitable part of their business.

            They’re all going to die because training costs dwarf the inference, and training doesn’t generate ANY revenue.

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    The fact that piece of algorithm is getting paid more than a human being, who eat, live, love, is outrageous. Humans are the worst.

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      AI will never gain sentience, not with current tech and not until we figure out how consciousness actually works.

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    They don’t care, they don’t want to be in the writing software business or in the human resources business. Cloud is more expensive but they didn’t care because they didn’t want to be in the data center business.

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    Hahahahaha their greed knows no bounds and they couldn’t help but reach and reach and reach further in until they ruined the one actual selling point they had of AI “replace the slaves cheaper!!” They cried waving their arms around “This is the new thing!!” “You won’t have to pay people anymore! Think of the profits!!”

    And then they went and fucked it up because of how obscenely and unapologetically greedy they are in every single thing that they do. Hahahahahaha oh god, the irony is almost tangible enough you could put it on a plate and eat it.

    Good for us, the actual workers of the world. But wow, they are so greedy they couldn’t even replace us all with robots effectively because they just want more and more and more and more and more and…

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    Lol ffs …

    “Greedy pos CEO of ShitCo. thinks they’re the only greedy pos CEO. Greedy pos CEO of AIslopCo. drains their accounts.”

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    The tech sector had been over hiring for a decade. The cutbacks were inevitable in any course. Whats funny about it is that by using AI as a standover they are enshittifying their product faster and costing themselves more in the process than if they had just started firing people.

    Nonpaywalled version of that article: https://archive.is/HolQ7