Turns out cops are the same wherever you go.
Like people who always jump to say this in such posts: we don’t know the context. And it’s true that we don’t know the immediate context. But we do know the wider context. This forceful suppression of pro-Palestinian speech is consistent with the concerns repeatedly expressed by multiple human rights organizations about the systemic biases of the German state.
To make a slightly distasteful analogy: if this was a video of ICE agents arresting a Latino person at a protest outside a detention center, sure we would not have the context of that person’s actual immigration status. But we do have the wider context of a systematic crackdown on Latinos by ICE.
Do you want to actually defend the honour of German police? Organize and push politically for systemic change. Otherwise, your pearl clutching about “context” will only read as complicity to the systemic issues.
its what the IDF would do too,.
Denazification didn’t work. The occupation authorities realised that if they hanged all the Nazis there wouldn’t be enough people left to be a viable country. So the virus gestated.
Fascist scum
Dit is Berlin…
Kaum gehe ich mit ner Glasflasche auf die Bullen zu und beschimpfe sie als Schweine reagieren die so, voll komisch.
Ah. Der Besitz einer Glasflasche (in keiner Weise bedrohlich gehalten oder so) ist jetzt schon Grund für Polizeigewalt, ja?
Für Faschos auf jeden Fall
Nee der Besitz einer Glasflasche, das bei sich tragen in einer Hand, das getrunken haben des halben alkoholischen Inhalts, das auf den Polizisten zugehen, in dabei laut schreiend ein Schwein nennen, in einer angespannten Situation. Das rechtfertigt dann irgendwann Polizeigewalt.
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Wie gesagt: dit is berlin.
Da gelten ganz andere Regeln. Es jibt sone und solche, und dann jibt es noch janz andre, aba dit sind die Schlimmstn.
Not to express support for the cops in any way, but for a bit of context: Publicly insulting a person is a crime in Germany. The old guy here did give the cops a great excuse to arrest him.
Temporary arrest to take his ID (not even time in a cell). Not assault.
Publicly insulting a person is a crime in Germany
One of the smallest crimes.
They could have stopped him to ask for his ID, name + address. It does NOT justify their violent treatment.
Even if they decided to take him first, for asking his details later, there was no need = no justification for this immediate violence.
Of course. As I said, I’m not trying to support or defend the methods they used here. I’m just saying that when you’re insulting a policeman, at a demonstration or anywhere, you’ve committed a crime and will be arrested. It’s not a smart move. The title here implies that he was arrested for “calling them out” or that it’s about the demonstration being Pro-Palestine, but this is the fastest way to get arrested at any demonstration.
Theres a difference between insulting a normal person and insulting a cop (in German this is called "Beamtenbeleidigung). Does this justify the amount of violence? No. Will he get away with it? Yes.
Theres a difference between insulting a normal person and insulting a cop (in German this is called "Beamtenbeleidigung)
Not true. It is only a legend. No legal difference.
The only difference is a practical one: cops bring it to court more often than normal people.
Common misconception. “Beamtenbeleidigung” is not a thing in law, just regular Beleidigung, which can be directed at anyone and is punishable with a fine or theoretically even up to a year in prison. Public interest needs to be determined though, which is more likely to be the case with officials, famous people etc.
Just for clarity, I can’t legally call someone an idiot in Germany?
You cannot. The rough justification for the law being as it is, is that an insult is attacking/damaging their dignity, which every human is entitled to.
Fascinating. Thanks.
To be clear, you will not serve time in a cell for it, you’ll at most pay a fine.
Unless you insult a chancellor or the state senator of the interior of Hamburg, then the police will also illegally search your home and wreck it in the process to send a message.
Ah OK, thanks for the clarification.
Cops are just better in court…
You should change your propic
Why?
No, not really. Arrest is only allowed under certain circumstances, and acting violently has even higher burdens (in the law at least). The proportions have to be maintained, too. And acting this violently is not proportional to a minor insult.
Arrest is only allowed under certain circumstances
Indeed, but one of those circumstances is being caught in the act of comitting a crime, as was the case here.
The proportions have to be maintained, too.
True, the method used could well have been out of proportion. But he shouldn’t be surprised to have been arrested, that would have happened at any demonstration if you decide to insult a cop.
but one of those circumstances is being caught in the act of comitting a crime
Nope, only if the person cannot be identified right away. Nobody tried to ask for his ID.
like this was happening on a quiet street and not in an ongoing situation. I’m always in to complain about the police, but this one? Come on. He overstepped, and got taken in to identify him and possibly sue him for the “Schweine” comment. Sure they use force, but the force to me seems reasonable/in proportion.
Sure they use force, but the force to me seems reasonable/in proportion.
You are out of your mind. Walk up to him and ask him to show his ID. If he doesn’t, grab his arm and take him with you. If he or the other people resist that, then and only then force can be escalated.
I don’t think the situation allowed for that. There was already aggression against the police there (sadly we don’t know what the kid did do, to get arrested). The police was already trying to get out of the scene to avoid confronting the people who tried to stop the police from doing so. Getting someones ID is more than just asking/receiving an answer, it’s a process that takes several minutes even in quiet situations like when the police is called to a minor traffic accident etc.
In America the cops just shoot them dead, then they get a month’s paid vacation.
Resistance of any sort is also met with lethal force.
It’s great.
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Video is intentionally cut to remove the context.
All the context you need is there. The old guy poses no threat at all, the cop goes to him and brutally assaults him. An arrest because of the insults would be one thing, but this is clearly excessive.
@Don_alForno
Police are public servants (in theory, at least) - so what’s this public servant’s name /badge number?
Link to the full video?
Something happened before this video starts. The cops likely had a reason to arrest that young woman. The cops are walking away from the crowd continuously and don’t attack it.
german police pubches you in the face and asks you questions later, especially at pro-palestine protests.
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Maybe she called them bad names like the old man did. Clearly violent criminals.
What is the problem here? People stepping over boundaries will get arrested, simple as that. After the arrest there will be a fair trial and the case will get resolved.
If the police were HAMAS we would have seen two public executions as terrorists are not so well versed in human rights and fair trials.
@Juggernaut91
The police were most certainly overstepping their judgement call for violence when arresting the elderly man.
Insulting someone is against the law here, but the cop appeared to have used it as an excuse for corporeal punishment, which is most certainly not his call.In what kind of wonderland do you live, where fair trials with the cops as other side exist?
You are right to complain about fair trails, which are virtually not happening when its police vs citizen.
But the arrest is still right/correct and within reason. The police knows this, they only act after he crosses the barrier.
No they wont? Germany is legendarily shit at persecuting police violence.
And the second paragraph you can shove up your ass. Nothing excuses genocide.
This person has never seen a cop or a court from less than 10m away
ACAB
After the arrest there will be a fair trial
Will there, really? I dunno how it works over there. Here in Canada I think it’s more traditional to subject randomly arrested protesters to whatever the cops feel is an appropriate amount of abuse and then drop the charges after a day or two because there’s no way it would go well in an actual trial.
Dear lord what a pathetic bootlicker nazi clown.
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My guy tried to be reasonable with pro-palestine crowd and got drowned in downvotes.
Well deserved I think, here in europe we support such ideas as Islam, killing all jews and beheading kafirs! Inshallah!
the urge to take that gun and just…Oh, those sweet defenders of the “oppressed”… You only see violence somewhere else - not in what you do (or suggest doing).
Hamas salutes you! 💁
The part I’d actually suggest is touching the pig at his gun or faking it. The part of actually snatching it and running like hell is reserved to those being anonymous. And actually shooting is the last resort, probably when they already have their guns drawn.
Do wish to die a pointless death and paint pro palestine protests as violent terrorists?
