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I just recently rewatched 101 Dalmatians and actually cried multiple times just from really soaking it in. Just the way so much of it comes to life. The imperfections genuinely make it feel so much more alive.
Modern Hollywood animation is incredibly sterile and perfected. A major studio now would never imagine releasing something with visible sketch lines.
Sure it wasn’t nostalgia? Sounds like the same symptoms
I don’t think so. I’ve been watching a lot of classics from my childhood lately and most of them weren’t hitting me that hard. Maybe it’s that the actual story and the horror of it sunk in properly for the first time as an adult. Hadn’t seen it since I was young. The voice acting from the pups is just incredible. That probably didn’t help.
Same with the OG Lilo and Stitch:
IIRC last film to use honest to god water colors. And it shows.
Was this before or after the lion king, because they really started leaning on cgi from then on
Lion king was 5-10 years before this
the opening to beauty and the beast remains my favourite piece of animation ever <3
Beauty and the Beast features computer animation, by the way. I think it’s only in the ballroom scene though.
thanks! i’m not an expert so i wasn’t sure (i know they did switch sometime in the 90s but i thought 91 would have been too early for computer/cgi)
If you rewatch the ballroom scene it’s pretty obvious. It’s like partially 3d. But it’s subtle enough to not stick out.
Wasn’t the first use of CG in a major Disney animated film the carpet in Aladdin? No necessarily the whole movie, but certain scenes at least.
Uh, sure, why not! Seems believable enough to me.
Wikipedia has a pretty good list of big “firsts” for cgi.
It notes that Disney first used cgi for the clock tower in The Great Mouse Detective. However it seems like it may have been cgi generated frames that were then hand animated over.
As for Aladdin, maybe first to have cgi character? As Beauty and the Beast came out 1 year earlier and definitely had cgi effects in the ballroom scene.
Note: no idea how accurate the whole list is, but that one checks out.
yeah i remember the carpet scene in the cave of wonders with the lava being particularly cgi (i mean as a kid it looked awesome but still)
I think animation, when the animators care, has improved. Yes treasure planet looks better fight me. But I think the problem is that there is more shit animation now, and we have forgotten the shit animation of the past.
They were more interested in telling a memorable story than making a quick buck
The original Mobile Suit Gundam 0079. The US cartoons from the 1960’s and 70’s were the best with plenty of lessons from Wile E. Coyote.
yeap
I totally agree, Disney’s Robin Hood from 1973 is peak hand-drawn cartoon
Eeeeeeh… Maybe not. It’s pretty good, but there is so much recycled animation that you might aswell call the Jungle book the best aswell.
Forgot about Fantasia?
Lion king?
Don bluth cartoons?
Anything made by Miyazaki.
I’m with you on the studio Ghibli stuff; and the Lion King while a better movie is very polished and to me lacks the hand made feel of Robin Hood
but robin hood isn’t entirely hand-made, most of it is copied from other films. that’s why there are so many visible roughs in the animation.
…but the Lion king was hand made.
I’m aware it’s hand-made, I meant how polished and ‘perfect’ it is - like it was redrawn 100 times from the original sketch - it just lacks a certain je ne sais quoi of Robin Hood
The lion king famously used CGI though.
Yeah, i guess i forgot about the multiplication and wildebeest animation.
I guess it’s slightly more impressive that you barely notice.
You dropped this -> /s
I don’t think they did…
That gif better not awaken something in me.
Oooo da lolly!
Ah yes, Maid Marian. The first time I was like “why dis animal girl so hot?”
The first time
I’m not a furry, I’m just a furry enjoyer
My confused seven year old ass was like “I would like to hold hands with both Robin Hood and Maid Marian ver much”
I still do
That was the video cassette I actually watched so much I wore it out as a child!!
The only counter argument would probably be something like Flow. But what Zilbalodis did was perhaps as handcrafted as 3D animation can get.
TBF it was also a time before the corporate entity realized maximum short term profit doesn’t come from perfected products.
Yeah I feel old too.
That behind said, I don’t think a modern drawing tool is inherently less capable than an older one to produce magic. Digital painting used to have limitations in comparison with traditional technics, but a good 2d illustrator can do gorgeous drawings with a tablet nowadays.
When I see magic in animated movies, its when people do things by love and passions, and not for seeking additional profit. Flow and Arcane are examples of animation with such ingredients.
Flowknocks the crap out ofDalmatians.I guess we’re gonna just whitewash the systemic exploitation of “betweener” labor, then? Oh, good. 🖕🏽
So a couple things, do you have a link where I can read up on the history of betweener labor because now I’m curious? But secondly what are you talking about? What this post or the comments implies anything to do with race? I don’t understand where you’re getting that from
I think there is nothing about race at all. Whitewash as in the meaning: to make something bad seem acceptable by hiding the truth.
My spouse likes to watch the different Dexter shows and anytime I see any of it I just keep thinking it’s whitewashing a murderous psychopath. Like the shows seem to be pro murder and corrupt police departments and a lot of people must like it because they keep making more.
I only murder people who I think deserve it and don’t feel bad about it because I have a “code.”
I would love cartoons that don’t traumatize children, that would be awesome. I watched bambi when I was young and got so traumatized I can’t wach animal movies anymore, than I went to see Elio with my niece and she was crying so hard I had to apologize to her parents.
Life is horrible enough lets make cartoons nice
There are like five popular Disney movies where a parent or both parents dont get murdered in order to drive the story forward. Of those left a handful has the parents dead before the story even starts.
Disney really seems to love killing parents. Someone ought to talk to them, seems like an unhealthy obsession.
Coco and Encanto, Moana and Brave, it seems like in the newer movies they’re not as addicted to killing the parents, so maybe someone did? I haven’t seen wish or raya so idk. The parents are also alive in Tangled I think but she’s kidnapped so I don’t think we can really count it as no parental trauma (or we could count it as 3 parents?)
Aren’t they animations of existing fairy tales, at least the early ones?
You should try The Fox and the Hound. It’s uplifting.
or brave little toaster T_T
I disagree that this is an actual problem, we have so few sources anymore that show any kind of reality that kids can connect with.
It’s worse than ever. It’s a world of AI slop that is often far more disturbing, youtube kid’s channels that are completely lacking in value or education. Life lessons are avoided like the plague in media and in families now. Parents avoid “hard topics” with their kids at a level that has left an entire generation of adults unable to function under any level of pressure, or unable to do basic things like count change and make eye contact.
Will seeing Bambi’s parents die help with that? Not directly, but there is a type of psychological “grounding” that can come from careful exposure to distressing topics as a child.
Life is horrible, but avoiding it makes the problems worse. Avoiding something distressing because you can’t take negative emotions is a valid choice but it doesn’t make you stronger. Your mental capacity, your emotions and your perceptions are all muscles that wither and die without exercise.
If we taught our children that bad things happen but it’s okay and we can recover, maybe there would be less fear and scared adults who cling to violence as a means to feel in control.
I just don’t like the idea of sanitizing and shaving every hard corner off a world that desperately needs people with mental and emotional strength like never before.
I don’t think we lack nice cartoons. My siblings children watch Bluey and Daniel Tiger’s Neighbourhood and they are both great. they also watch the unavoidable paw patrol bu I like this too. My older niece lover frozen but she FF the part where the parents die lol
We have plenty of “nice” cartoons, my point though is that after a certain age, a child should have a solid understanding of some mature concepts like mortality, because if you’re going into your pre-teens and still can’t watch certain scenes in kid’s media, you’re going to have a very hard time with an array of things as life rapidly comes at you.
Rikki-Tikki-Tavi fucked me up, nightmares about snakes for a couple of years. And having Orson Wells narrate didn’t help a bit.
Was it the melting child scene? That caught me off guard.
Yeah, that came out of no where. I thought it was great, but also figured it would likely traumatize a number of kids.
I was sad the movie didn’t do better in the box office. It wasn’t the best, but it was a fun original story.
Also this, but she was watching with me, her aunt, and her parents were not there so she kept asking me if her parents were going to die too. At the end she was crying and saying “i don’t want to live with you I want to live with mom and dad” lol. Didn’t take offense. I also want her to live with her parents hahaha
I’m sorry to say that a AI could recreate that look in a flash. And within 5 years you could have a completely consistent, feature length film done in that look.
Let’s not minimize the threat. If we want to avoid being replaced by computers, it’s now the fight has to be had.
Fatal mistake.
There is a venn diagram of anti ai including both people who believe ai is incapable of producing value and people who believe it will take their jobs,
But they do not mix nor understand how the other exists.
