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    8 days ago

    Trying to pretend that there’s a concerted far-left effort to create civil war in 'Murica is patently absurd

    Idk man, I spent altogether too much time over in .ml, and now my view on what is “far left” has changed quite drastically. And that group certainly seems hell bent on starting a civil war.

    There are absolutely far more MAGAs, but the tankies are, unfortunately, still far left.





  • It’s intellectually dishonest to say Charlie Kirk was doing anything equivalent.

    I just don’t think this is true. Another poster here pointed to the specific events, and they’re right. The only difference between Hitler or Goebbels and Charlie Kirk is authority, and despite the lack of hard power, some people out there still acted. Soft power is still power, and as a result, rhetoric did become action. I won’t call it dishonest, as this feels like very genuine discussion, but I think it’s a mistake to dismiss soft power like what Charlie Kirk was wielding.

    That said, in the wake of the downvotes you’re receiving, I want to say that I do appreciate the genuine response. You don’t deserve to be digitally booed for having a substantially less bloodthirsty opinion than the average Lemmy user. I really do get where you’re coming from. I just think we’ve unfortunately found a world where the appropriate valves and levers for dealing with people like Charlie Kirk have been fully disassembled, and we’re stuck with the inappropriate fixes.


  • While I agree with you in a general blanket sense, there has to be a limit here. You can’t let someone have a platform where they constantly advocate violence against millions of people to millions of people and then give him a pass because they didn’t commit any visible acts of violence himself.

    Do we say that Hitler is only responsible for the people he himself killed, or do we see him as the murderer of some 6 million Jewish people? Or how about Joeseph Goebbels? He had little to no legislative power, and as far as I’m aware we don’t have any direct records of him killing anyone. Does he get the pass because he was just the messenger?

    I understand your position, and in a general sense I agree with you, but there’s an important intangible threshold that some notable rhetorical violence has passed lately, and we need to treat that as the existential threat that it is. I’d love to deal with such threats via lawful imprisonment and rehabilitation, but the government is currently aiding and abetting these people, because they’re the same people. So, what’s the solution? Minorities live in fear, day to day, until they’re the next people on the list to wind up in prisons, camps and asylums?

    The buck has to stop somewhere, or we just accept the extinction of anyone outside of the right-wing sphere.





  • The order of events as I’ve been seeing online:

    Videos circulating on social media showed an attender at the student event on Wednesday asking Charlie Kirk: “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?”

    In response, Kirk said: “Too many,” as the crowd clapped.

    In a follow-up question, the attender asked: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

    Kirk replied: “Counting or not counting gang violence?”

    His last act on earth was cracking a joke about how only queers and poors are involved in gun violence, at which point he was shot.





  • If you unironically look at this image and do not understand how it is perceived as in support of the USSR, then the school system is worse off than even I realized.

    Yes, you did not explicitly say it. But the natural inference is that these guys on the right, the USSR and the anarchists, are correct. To shamelessly sit there with your hands folded over like “well I’m only suggesting they’re right about this one specific thing, no one else should ever make any deeper inferences or assumptions, and it’s their fault if they do,” is either incredibly dishonest, or incredibly stupid.