Germany's new government under Chancellor Friedrich Merz is already almost as unpopular as the previous one, due to quarrelling over government spending. That's according to the latest ARD-Deutschlandtrend survey.
Unfortunately with the growing percentage of AfD support, it appears more Germans are learning the exact wrong lesson from having conservatives in power.
Yep it’s about time to pack up and leave the sinking ship Germany. Current polls show that the conservatives and far right hold over 50% combined.
Courts will never order a new denazification out of fear of violating the constitution. And at the same time they’ll trial anyone who takes it upon themselves to denazify the country. The only option is leaving at this point.
Planning to go to Norway.
You essentially have all the benefits of the EU there with the added benefit of not actually being in the EU, so not suffering it’s downside.
And unless you go into the deep countryside you can live and work perfectly fine just speaking English.
Conservatives dominating isn’t a new thing, though. We had them be in power for like 70% of the time modern Germany exists. We started out with Adenauer after WW2… I’d say more recently with Merkel we had quite some leftist and green things happening under conservative government… So yeah, I don’t want to defend them. But lumping all of them together with the far-right idiots isn’t helpful either. Either there’s more to the sinking ship image (it is), and/or we’ve always been a submarine.
But lumping all of them together with the far-right idiots isn’t helpful either.
But that is exactly what is happening. After Merkel the C*U did a massiv leap to the right and spend the last 3 years parroting every far-right lie and narrative thus painting the picture of those morons actually being right and having a point.
And given that it happened right after two small parties (Greens and FDP) banded together after the last election to see who is given them the better deal in government building it’s hard to believe that this is a coincidence. They realized that they are going to be meaningless no matter their own votes if they don’t find any common ground with other parties so they helped grow another (far) right-wing party, democracy be damned…
I’m not entirely convinced yet. But you have a good point. It’s just that they’re clearly fishing for the right-wing nuts. And I’m not sure whether they’re all convinced of that shit, or if that’s cold political calculation. Because they could get away with it. They have a broad basis of (old) people who is going to vote for them, no matter what they do. In the end, it probably doesn’t matter. Even if it’s a deliberate lie today to achieve some kind of goal, they’re bound to start believing in it at some time. And we knew Merz was an idiot, even for CDU standards. And he’s living up to the promises. I’d say there is still some chance there are still some democrats left in that party. But maybe it’s what you said. It’s certainly not looking good and we’re going to find out.
I wonder if we’re as stupid as the people who voted for Trump, who sold some weird authoritarianism and despotic rule to people who (in part) previously claimed to like law and order and their constitution/traditions…
The issue is the conservatives push the same regressive and reactionary policies as the far right.
The only way Merkel was more “left” is because she did nothing instead of continuing the decades long push further right.
Also Adenauer was very right wing. He quite literally was an autocrat who ended denazification, allowed nazis into all new state institutions, from the bureaucracy to the police, ministries, the army and even into parliament. He further allowed the existence of a shadow nazi paramilitary until the Bundeswehr was founded. And lastly he used his new nazi staffed intelligence agency to spy on his parliamentary opposition.
The CDU are the successor to the Zentrum party. Nazi collaborators who will do the same again if the circumstances arise.
The CDU are not far right. But they’re also sinking Germany and symbolising everything that’s wrong with this country. They’re a party for geriatrics with long outdated views and policies that aim to harm and suppress people as much as possible. They will choke the country to death and should be banned and Nuremberg-trialed along with the far right.
Sure. I mean we all know the stories on how denazification turned out. And how proper processing of the nazi past didn’t start until much later. I feel some people invested quite some effort into the entire thing, at least in West Germany, but that’s a different story and doesn’t include those people.
Idk. I recently watched a short documentary about Merkel and the war in Syria. And seems she has some moral integrity. And she still thinks it’s a christian thing to help people and not steamroll them at the border or something. Also she’s very pro-Euroean. And she wasn’t a 70yo man when she assumed office… But yeah, she also did a lot of …nothing… to address issues. And the same neoliberal politics that is the core issue of everything.
I always welcome if people refrain from calling everything nazi and devaluing the term. Now that we need it to call out the proper fascists. But I don’t think there’s a single reason to vote for the CDU either. That’s not a path forwards. And I bet the lines are blurred sometimes.
The issue with denazification was that it was ended way too soon and the German governments themselves were allowed to just end it. At the same time the winning powers of WW2 weren’t thoroughly denazifying the country, playing politics over valuable former nazis, trying to gain their expertise.
A real denazification would have entailed sentencing every single Nazi party member to death.
The same must be done now to any fascist parties like the AfD. (As a note to concerned mods, I’m not calling for violence, I’m calling for a due process with death penalty).
Hehe, sure that should do it. As an immediate first step we definitely should ground quite some people and take their phones away so they can’t be on Telegram all day.
To be fair, I think a lot of the early denazification was important as symbolism. But it was never going to properly solve the underlying issue. And in the 50s they wanted to be done with it and move on, so they didn’t really do anything useful and that took until a new generation. So I think the proper process that got us somewhere happened during the entire later 20th century. And apart from school education, a lot was done within society, not necessarily just top-down by politics or the government.
Unfortunately populism works quite well. And a lot of people really like to be sheep and be miserable and be told whom to hate.
Unfortunately with the growing percentage of AfD support, it appears more Germans are learning the exact wrong lesson from having conservatives in power.
Yes, but it’s also a side-effect of the other parties taking over right-wing talking points
Yep it’s about time to pack up and leave the sinking ship Germany. Current polls show that the conservatives and far right hold over 50% combined.
Courts will never order a new denazification out of fear of violating the constitution. And at the same time they’ll trial anyone who takes it upon themselves to denazify the country. The only option is leaving at this point.
Where you going ? Asking for a friend.
Planning to go to Norway. You essentially have all the benefits of the EU there with the added benefit of not actually being in the EU, so not suffering it’s downside.
And unless you go into the deep countryside you can live and work perfectly fine just speaking English.
I know norway well… not convinced you will be happy there, but all the best.
Conservatives dominating isn’t a new thing, though. We had them be in power for like 70% of the time modern Germany exists. We started out with Adenauer after WW2… I’d say more recently with Merkel we had quite some leftist and green things happening under conservative government… So yeah, I don’t want to defend them. But lumping all of them together with the far-right idiots isn’t helpful either. Either there’s more to the sinking ship image (it is), and/or we’ve always been a submarine.
But that is exactly what is happening. After Merkel the C*U did a massiv leap to the right and spend the last 3 years parroting every far-right lie and narrative thus painting the picture of those morons actually being right and having a point.
And given that it happened right after two small parties (Greens and FDP) banded together after the last election to see who is given them the better deal in government building it’s hard to believe that this is a coincidence. They realized that they are going to be meaningless no matter their own votes if they don’t find any common ground with other parties so they helped grow another (far) right-wing party, democracy be damned…
I’m not entirely convinced yet. But you have a good point. It’s just that they’re clearly fishing for the right-wing nuts. And I’m not sure whether they’re all convinced of that shit, or if that’s cold political calculation. Because they could get away with it. They have a broad basis of (old) people who is going to vote for them, no matter what they do. In the end, it probably doesn’t matter. Even if it’s a deliberate lie today to achieve some kind of goal, they’re bound to start believing in it at some time. And we knew Merz was an idiot, even for CDU standards. And he’s living up to the promises. I’d say there is still some chance there are still some democrats left in that party. But maybe it’s what you said. It’s certainly not looking good and we’re going to find out.
I wonder if we’re as stupid as the people who voted for Trump, who sold some weird authoritarianism and despotic rule to people who (in part) previously claimed to like law and order and their constitution/traditions…
The issue is the conservatives push the same regressive and reactionary policies as the far right. The only way Merkel was more “left” is because she did nothing instead of continuing the decades long push further right.
Also Adenauer was very right wing. He quite literally was an autocrat who ended denazification, allowed nazis into all new state institutions, from the bureaucracy to the police, ministries, the army and even into parliament. He further allowed the existence of a shadow nazi paramilitary until the Bundeswehr was founded. And lastly he used his new nazi staffed intelligence agency to spy on his parliamentary opposition.
The CDU are the successor to the Zentrum party. Nazi collaborators who will do the same again if the circumstances arise.
The CDU are not far right. But they’re also sinking Germany and symbolising everything that’s wrong with this country. They’re a party for geriatrics with long outdated views and policies that aim to harm and suppress people as much as possible. They will choke the country to death and should be banned and Nuremberg-trialed along with the far right.
Sure. I mean we all know the stories on how denazification turned out. And how proper processing of the nazi past didn’t start until much later. I feel some people invested quite some effort into the entire thing, at least in West Germany, but that’s a different story and doesn’t include those people.
Idk. I recently watched a short documentary about Merkel and the war in Syria. And seems she has some moral integrity. And she still thinks it’s a christian thing to help people and not steamroll them at the border or something. Also she’s very pro-Euroean. And she wasn’t a 70yo man when she assumed office… But yeah, she also did a lot of …nothing… to address issues. And the same neoliberal politics that is the core issue of everything.
I always welcome if people refrain from calling everything nazi and devaluing the term. Now that we need it to call out the proper fascists. But I don’t think there’s a single reason to vote for the CDU either. That’s not a path forwards. And I bet the lines are blurred sometimes.
The issue with denazification was that it was ended way too soon and the German governments themselves were allowed to just end it. At the same time the winning powers of WW2 weren’t thoroughly denazifying the country, playing politics over valuable former nazis, trying to gain their expertise.
A real denazification would have entailed sentencing every single Nazi party member to death. The same must be done now to any fascist parties like the AfD. (As a note to concerned mods, I’m not calling for violence, I’m calling for a due process with death penalty).
Hehe, sure that should do it. As an immediate first step we definitely should ground quite some people and take their phones away so they can’t be on Telegram all day.
To be fair, I think a lot of the early denazification was important as symbolism. But it was never going to properly solve the underlying issue. And in the 50s they wanted to be done with it and move on, so they didn’t really do anything useful and that took until a new generation. So I think the proper process that got us somewhere happened during the entire later 20th century. And apart from school education, a lot was done within society, not necessarily just top-down by politics or the government.
Unfortunately populism works quite well. And a lot of people really like to be sheep and be miserable and be told whom to hate.