For those of us on the outside looking in, 99% of what we see is Zuckerberg and we hate him and we think oh well anyone who works for him must be a miserable asshole. But Meta is a big place where some ~70,000 people work, and their experience of working there is not actually 99% made up of tossing Mark’s salad. I’m sure some parts of the company are better to work for and some are worse. A lot of people there have a great experience most of the time. When I’ve visited the campus it has had high energy and it comes across as a place where a huge number of very smart, high achieving young people have been assembled all together, with more money than god has behind them to build the next big thing. To somehow turn all of that bad is actually noteworthy.
I am not an idiot that is unaware that most people working for Meta will never even meet Zuckerberg.
But if the head is rotten, it usually goes all the way down. Because that’s the hierarchy of policies and who gets hired.
Zuckerberg has zero empathy, and he will not detect and appreciate it people he hires. And this is repeated downwards.
Let’s just define all the degrees of knowing anything:
you have used Facebook.com and read a bunch of headlines about Mark Zuckerberg (this is 99.9% of people and certainly almost everyone in this thread).
you work in the same industry as Facebook so you hear things and have some frame of reference for them
you work in the same industry and have actual friends who work there
you work in the same industry and have friends who work there and have visited on site
you have worked there yourself for a brief time
you have worked there for a long time
you have worked there for a long time and other places in the same industry so you have a frame of reference
So yeah. I’m not a #7, just a #4, but this is a few degrees past #1
But my point is not to argue that I know so much, just that the vast majority of people who think they can see everything from a million miles away are full of shit. They don’t know what they don’t know. I don’t know everything, but I at least have a sense of how much most people don’t know.
I have never used Facebook, because I actually read their terms of use. And they were disgusting from day 1.
But that absolutely doesn’t mean I don’t know about the company. I’d argue that working in the company only marginally increases your knowledge of it from a personal anecdotal experience, that may even skew your perception of the company.
You can’t understand a company, just by being inside and be 1 of 70000 employees.
I’d argue that already early on I knew more than many that worked there, just by actually reading their terms, and understand the mindset behind them.
I also have the age and experience to have followed Facebook and Zuckerberg, and his appearances before congress, the fines that have been issued by EU, and many other things where it has been proven that Facebook is a shitty company.
For instance their role in the first election of Trump, and cooperation with Cambridge Analytica.
Generally a company that is total shit towards customers and children and even authorities and a population as a whole, and displays a shitty personality in general, will also be shitty towards their employees when it counts.
I knew more than many that worked there, just by actually reading their terms, and understand the mindset behind them.
Yeah okay, guy. You know more about it than people with direct experience. In fact their direct experience only clouds their minds!
You have a dangerous kind of arrogance. The kind that makes you think you know what’s best for others more than they do just by your piercing insight.
You also patently don’t understand how to read a TOS. They are by design incredibly over-reaching and self-interested to the exclusion of the rights of others. This is a legal fiction they reserve in advance so that no matter the eventuality, they can claim you agreed to it. It represents the uttermost limit of what they can imagine. Not the center of gravity of what it’s like to work there.
Anyway, I don’t need to hear more about how your insight penetrates the world from the comfort of your chair.
You bet I know how to read terms of service agreements, I even had a major dispute over it with Autodesk in the mid 90’s. With the company I had started with a friend.
And after a couple communications they stopped making demands against us, because their fucking terms of service was illegal, which here in Denmark defaults the whole thing.
So stop making claims about what people know and don’t, the Facebook terms of service was equally illegal here, but there is no way to stop an American company to abuse your information as an ordinary civilian.
For those of us on the outside looking in, 99% of what we see is Zuckerberg and we hate him and we think oh well anyone who works for him must be a miserable asshole. But Meta is a big place where some ~70,000 people work, and their experience of working there is not actually 99% made up of tossing Mark’s salad. I’m sure some parts of the company are better to work for and some are worse. A lot of people there have a great experience most of the time. When I’ve visited the campus it has had high energy and it comes across as a place where a huge number of very smart, high achieving young people have been assembled all together, with more money than god has behind them to build the next big thing. To somehow turn all of that bad is actually noteworthy.
I am not an idiot that is unaware that most people working for Meta will never even meet Zuckerberg.
But if the head is rotten, it usually goes all the way down. Because that’s the hierarchy of policies and who gets hired.
Zuckerberg has zero empathy, and he will not detect and appreciate it people he hires. And this is repeated downwards.
You just passionately restated the exact misconception I described. Okay, I guess.
Just because it can look good on the surface when you visit, doesn’t mean the effect isn’t there.
You just don’t see it, until you see it.
Let’s just define all the degrees of knowing anything:
So yeah. I’m not a #7, just a #4, but this is a few degrees past #1
But my point is not to argue that I know so much, just that the vast majority of people who think they can see everything from a million miles away are full of shit. They don’t know what they don’t know. I don’t know everything, but I at least have a sense of how much most people don’t know.
I have never used Facebook, because I actually read their terms of use. And they were disgusting from day 1.
But that absolutely doesn’t mean I don’t know about the company. I’d argue that working in the company only marginally increases your knowledge of it from a personal anecdotal experience, that may even skew your perception of the company.
You can’t understand a company, just by being inside and be 1 of 70000 employees.
I’d argue that already early on I knew more than many that worked there, just by actually reading their terms, and understand the mindset behind them.
I also have the age and experience to have followed Facebook and Zuckerberg, and his appearances before congress, the fines that have been issued by EU, and many other things where it has been proven that Facebook is a shitty company.
For instance their role in the first election of Trump, and cooperation with Cambridge Analytica.
Generally a company that is total shit towards customers and children and even authorities and a population as a whole, and displays a shitty personality in general, will also be shitty towards their employees when it counts.
Yeah okay, guy. You know more about it than people with direct experience. In fact their direct experience only clouds their minds!
You have a dangerous kind of arrogance. The kind that makes you think you know what’s best for others more than they do just by your piercing insight.
You also patently don’t understand how to read a TOS. They are by design incredibly over-reaching and self-interested to the exclusion of the rights of others. This is a legal fiction they reserve in advance so that no matter the eventuality, they can claim you agreed to it. It represents the uttermost limit of what they can imagine. Not the center of gravity of what it’s like to work there.
Anyway, I don’t need to hear more about how your insight penetrates the world from the comfort of your chair.
You bet I know how to read terms of service agreements, I even had a major dispute over it with Autodesk in the mid 90’s. With the company I had started with a friend.
And after a couple communications they stopped making demands against us, because their fucking terms of service was illegal, which here in Denmark defaults the whole thing.
So stop making claims about what people know and don’t, the Facebook terms of service was equally illegal here, but there is no way to stop an American company to abuse your information as an ordinary civilian.
I believe the turn of phrase is “shit rolls down hill”
Haha I didn’t know that, but that’s is very fitting.