• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 hours ago

    So… a funny thing actually just happened…

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/tulsi-gabbards-office-denies-florida-lawmakers-claim-cia-raid-seizing-jfk-mkultra-docs

    CIA whistleblower testifies in Congress that the CIA basically raided the DNI (Tulsi Gabbard)'s office, to retrieve various files relating to JFK and MKUltra, that Trump had actually ordered be unsealed.

    Anna Paulina Luna corroborates this.

    Fox News (nation wide) runs a segment on this with Jesse Waters.

    Then, a bunch of people change their tune.

    Paulina Luna claims her comments were misconstrued.

    Gabbard denies that this happened.

    Jesse Waters removes this, his own segment, from his own social media.

    Gabbard’s PR person says basically ‘no, a raid did not happen on that day, but about a year earlier, the CIA did confiscate some documents from the DNI, and they still have them.’

    … at least that is my current attempt to comprehend this.

    So uh… the DNI is supposed to be in charge of the CIA.

    But, if you know anything about the CIA… they do whatever the fuck they want, to whoever they want.

    There is only a single example of someone ostensibly directly in charge of the CIA that actually attempted to reign in the CIA and hold it accountable, make it stop doing things it wanted to do.

    His brain got painted all over Dealey Plaza, in 1963.


    EDIT:

    Another thing that I am… confused, currently, by:

    How is it possible that… there exist any MKUltra documents… that could be declassified?

    In the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, in 1977, then CIA Director Stansfield Turner, explained that in 1973, the CIA Director at that time Dick Helms… ordered all the MKUltra documents to be destroyed.

    But, approximately 20,000 documents were missed by this desctruction order, mostly financial and accounting documents, still remaining in basically a forgotten annex in DC.

    To the best of my knowledge… those 20,000 documents are what comprise essentially the corpus of what has been discussed since 1977, they’re what’s been poured through to figure out who was getting paid to do what kind of work at which kind of site in whatever location, with what kinds of equipment, etc.

    So… did… did we just miss some of those, somehow?

    Or… did Turner lie to the Senate in '77… and… there were at that time, and still existing to the present currently… more documents than those which survived this supposed destruction order under Helms?

    Like genuinely, I am misunderstanding something here, or is that not the implication of ‘there do in fact exist any potentially unclassifiable MKUltra documents’?

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      7 hours ago

      Turner lied and parts of the program kept going. I’m wonder what’s going on with that one UFO guy who was trying to get a SCIF to talk to lawmakers. Subject gets dropped like a rock any time someone picks it up.