Just to spell out what many comments already hint at:
There are no US-made routers. “Made” here refers to companies, not where the stuff is actually made. Even if the plastic housing happened to be made in the US for one or two products, the components are still from far away.
Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.
This is corruption pure and simple.
And also I’m SURE there will be no backdoors installed in these routers. This was a mutual deal to control information, not just a financial one
It’s okay when it’s OUR backdoor, it’s not okay when it’s their speculative backdoor.
Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.
Almost certainly not just a money thing. They very likely also made deals for government access to and control of their devices. This isn’t just corruption. It is fascism.
The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.
Well, you can run your own router on your own hardware but other than that, agreed.
Is that hardware also made in the US ><
My point was mostly that the concept of a router can be executed by any computer with more than one NIC.
Trump isn’t disallowing computers from outside the US, surely, only stuff that looks like routers. They’ll have a hard time defining what a router is.
Yeah, I wonder how the dumbasses licking his boots will feel about brands like Qotom/etc making high interface mini pcs- whether they consider them “routers” under this. I hope we don’t have to go back to what I did 10 years ago- cheap intel desktops with 3-4 nics.
But where is that hardware made
get iron from local mine and go make some relays
But where were those tools made?
well, Trump has a worryingly faint and ever-changing idea of where the USA borders end…
All it needs is a bribe from Cisco, and it’s no problem anymore. Probably.
New business venture: sell computers that totally aren’t routers, pinky promise, but just randomly happen to run OpenWrt perfectly and have all the needed hardware.
The rent for your ISP provided hardware is about to go up by x10. Also you will get a letter saying you don’t have an approved router installed.
So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That’s the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.
Brother it is class war so
I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.
As I read it, they are scared of the Chinese Communist Party having an “official” back door built in. Not run-of-the-mill criminal bot-nets.
Isn’t Huawei already banned?
Is it? Because I just saw them available on Amazon and Alibaba. I think I even saw it on Walmart a few weeks ago too.
He is talking about ISP grade hw.
What’s the play here? Something isn’t making sense.
With the Trump administration, the only thing you can be sure of is that the stated reason isn’t the real reason. Somebody’s got to be getting a payday from this.
It’s a money grab. About the only networking companies that build in the us are like Cisco and juniper. Which odds are, you aren’t running at home. This is without a doubt a money grab. Google and Amazon will gladly pay the exemption fee. Some others will as well. This isn’t about security or “pay American”. It’s a money grab.
Starlink devices are currently the only approved ones.
Same play as always. Bullies countries and corps to get what he wants. As long as it serves him that’s all he cares about.
There will be some meetings with oems, and gold things dropped on his desk, and the exceptions will start being handed out. Same as always.
Be ready to get shut out of the global internet and only use Trumpernet.
Seriously though, they’ll block yalls internet access in a few years.
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Glad Australia is finally getting some decent fiber links up through Singapore.
SEA-ME-WE3 is a joke and before IndigoWest and ASC, almost all of our international transit was via US.
The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.
Yep, marketed as very safe, meeting “standards” .
Something is happening, first the age verification and now this. They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?
The fascists always attack free speech, and our first amendment rights have been under attack from many directions.
I’m more wondering that if all consumer network routers have to be made in the US (e.g. forcing people to use the ISP-provided one), it makes it easier for them to utilise the ISP’s backdoors for monitoring of people’s LANs. If that’s actually the goal, then the next logical step would be to deny anyone access using a third-party router or ISP-provided router that didn’t have their firmware.
They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?
To track online activities.
To ensure nobody is doing anything the government (or its corporate funders) don’t like.
Look at the Project2025 manifesto and see how much they want people’s activities to be controlled.
You can of course run your own router.
You can install router software on any computer
On Linux you can just turn the kernel into a router with a few commands. Its actually very cool.
Damn, that IS cool.
It’s also true for every mainstream operating system.
For anyone looking into this, I recommend picking up a “network appliance” PC. They’re low-spec, often fanless, and come with 4 Ethernet ports. You can often get them for roughly the same price as a router. You will need to provide your own WiFi AP with this method.
Hmmm… so if you install a router os on a pc that’s made outside the US, will that make you a criminal?
Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.
How is this going to work?
If we see a reversal of the policy soon then it was a standard playbook policy announcement to receive corrupt bribery money from some big manufacturers and importers. If we don’t, it may very well have been with no takers anyway.
We’ve seen it plenty before (within the last year). Like tarrifs, then exclusions, etc.
Smuggling? Setting up a factory in Florida that reboxes routers and slaps “Made In America” stickers on them? Resale/referb router prices going through the roof?
Take your pick.
So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?
So at what point do they ban all new computers
not made domestically?FTFY. It’s the same thing.
well pricing them out of reach of the population wasn’t working, so soon
All the thrift stores here throw them away. I’ve got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they’d come after them eventually.
because why the fuck the not?
In theory, you would have better things to do with your real estate.
But I guess I’m the idiot who threw my kit out six months ago to make the house a little less cluttered.
If I were a network packet, I would get very confused by so much routing.
You need to start a museum lol
Protectionism at its finest! What should the rest of the world make of US consumer routers? All good? No backdoors letting friendly people in?
What should the rest of the world make of US consumer routers?
I’ll let you know when they actually make one
designating all consumer routers manufactured outside the U.S. as a security risk
So this is horseshit, right?
First of all, ALL routers from ANY country are a security risk? Every single other nation is trying to make Spyware for the average American consumer? Doubt.
Second, they are extremely concerned with all consumers’ security from foreign actors to the point it needs an outright ban on hardware to protect us. God forbid I buy an AVM router from Germany and open up my home networking to German Spies. What if they find out I sometimes visit porn websites and yourube!?
Third, that the US government, themselves, are trustworthy and wont force backdoors into systems to allow them unfettered access into private networks, something that they HAVE TRIED TO AND SUCCEEDED TO DO IN THE PAST. And also something that they are very clearly opening the door for with all of these legal pushes toward requiring age verification software and OS’s. They want to ban foreign routers so that you have to buy routers from companies that they can control. They can ask, coerce and force them to give them access behind the scenes for some bullshit excuse (“protect the kiddies”, “law enforcement”, “national security”, “terrorism”), force them to not tell the public, and then “secretly” monitor every device in the entire country. They are almost certainly already doing this with a significant number of US manufacturers and software developers.
Fuck these fascists.
I find it unlikely to be about security. Either it is about control or about money (pressure to induce bribery for lifting), or a combination of both.
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies. However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies.
I think there’s a little bit of space between “spy agencies employ systems professionals that know the guts of a component’s security and tricks to bypass it” and “every device firmware has a double super secret protocol for sidestepping all of its security features”.
However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
Sure. I’m willing to believe that Cisco, specifically, has relationships with the Five Eyes network such that they make monitoring their traffic easier. Even then, there’s limits. One thing to say techniques exist to bypass security. Another entirely to know what those techniques are and whether they’re practical for application at universal scale.
One of the more chronic problems that big spy agencies have is sifting through all the spam and bullshit and empty chatter. Decryption takes time. And you can’t monitor everything, everywhere, all at once. The bigger sins of Cisco are in how they expedite access on behalf of their agency partners, not that they fail to produce perfectly hack-proof hardware.
I think you guy are forgetting Occam Razor… the most likely scenario (least assumptions) here is that some inept appointee from the orange pedo thought this would be a good idea and pushed it with the research, planning and preparation we all put at farting after eating Taco Bell
There’s a line about “… unless they have a waiver.”
That’s the razor, it’s gatekeeping for who can get your special permit.
I guarantee the routers your ISP wants you to rent from them will have that waiver.
Where’s the Kalshi bet for that?
