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- privacy@programming.dev
The EU is planning to strike a deal with the US that would let the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies search European databases to identify people posing “a threat to US security,” according to a proposal published by the European Commission at the end of July.
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This together with German politicians wanting to have a list of all transgender people that change their name is really cool! Awesome! I love it!
Wouldn’t you already have that for when anyone changes their name?
You can’t really change your name in germany just like that. The only other reason to do so that I know of is getting married and then it’s just the last name.
Wrong, we just had a new legislation installed that allowed for easier name and gender changes. It’s called Selbstbestimmungsgesetz
Sigh… you might wanna read the whole comment chain. The last comment was about changing your name outside of being trans.
The previous commenter was not asking about anything but trans though. And it doesn’t really matter anyways because you can change your name for other reasons as well.
No, they were asking for “anyone who changes their name”. And yes there are a few specific reasons when you are able to change your name but not, like I said, just like that.
Why are your comments smelling like “Uhm Aktschually” from reddit?
Only under special circumstances are they allowed to access this information. There is not one big database for every federal agency to browse through willy nilly.
Whatever the possibly good, but probably bad, intentions there are to this decision, it’s still courting disaster.
Let’s say your neighbor beats half of their kids and all of their kids’ friends. And this neighbor is not shy about it; in fact, they publicly brag about this. And let’s say that they tell you that your kids should come over to play some video games, but that you need to introduce your kids to them first, so that they don’t accidentally beat your kids.
You know what you do in that situation? You don’t let your kids visit the fucking child-abuse house!
Don’t let your government share your data with us. We’re definitely going to abuse your data, and we’re still gonna arrest you when you visit. We’re holding a burning fuse in our closed fist—don’t get closer to see if we’re gonna blow our hand off. Run away as fast as you can before you get our mess on yourself.
Collaborator scum.
Literal treason. When are we going to learn that we live in capitalist dictatorships and our governments are not like us?
I see it more like a defensive thing for Europeans in the States. An effort to assure safety from being wrongly accused or detained. It gives these people clear legal grounds if/when US immigration does it’s thing. It is hard to get away with their bullshit when they are provided a channel of transparency. They would have to willfully ignore something that is so blatant. If they do, their mallace is even more exposed.
Should it have ever come to this? Of course not. But stations like that were passed long ago and the train isn’t stopping.
Fuck that if America needs they just put a warning. If people want to travel it is their fault.
What about we start treating the US as we treat North Korea and people that travel there do it at their own risk, instead of exposing everyone to the American Gestapo?
It’ll get there t this rate. But not quite yet. That sort of action happens about two years too late, so we have about five to go.
Excuse le fucking moi?!?!
“Posing a threat to US security”
Me a socialist: hahaha im in danger (again)!
What, the, fuck. What’s happening with european leaders, they keep giving everything to america.
The article seems misleading. The proposal linked by article itself is part of a visa-free program, and the exchange would focus on travelers to the US, applicants for immigration/humanitarian benefits in the US, individuals encountered by DHS law enforcement in a border and immigration context in the US. It’s far from that “Millions of innocent Europeans in police databases” mentioned in the article.
So you believe in the sincerity of US intelligence agencies, that even if they have access to everybody’s police record they’re gonna limit the surveiling to the ones with a plane ticket already bought? History tells a very different story.
Does the linked proposal say that the US intelligence agencies get access to everybody’s record, or just to the ones with a plane ticket?
I think it’s pretty obvious. There is no such thing as a database of people with a US plane ticket and the article refers to direct access rather than request to access policy. Direct access then technically includes the whole database, even if the surveiling pretext is certain kind of US travelers.
The US police could easily falsify a ticket or just say, I want to immigrate from a neighbouring country if I travel to Mexico for example. But more likely, they get full access and then when it gets out, that they copied it fully, everybody involved will try and make their best Pikachu face.
I think this just gives them the right to request a certain person’s information, not just read it all
How is it misleading? That’s what I read in the article. And that’s probably actually “Millions of innocent Europeans in police databases”. These are not exclusive affirmations?
A quick search tells me just about 2 million Germans visited USA in 2024. Which is actually much more than I expected.
How is it misleading?
The tone of the article seems to suggest a massive and unprecedented sharing of data, but in reality it’s going to concern only travellers to the US in a process alternative to requesting a visa that already requires sharing data. Moreover, traveling to the US is a choice.
If the US require that data, Europe can choose to say no, but then the US can choose to close the borders. That may be what you want, but million people would probably disagree with you.
Most EU countries already participate in the Visa Waiver Program. This agreement is about extending it to 3 more countries in the union and …
Where the objective of an exchange of information under a PCSC agreement is to fight terrorism and serious crime, the purpose of the exchange of information under the EBSP is potentially broader as it also concerns the areas of border management and visa policy.
… extend the content of exchanged data. So, yes, the article is right?
yes, the article is right?
I never said it wasn’t, just misleading. I’d say clickbaiting too.
One thing is to say that the US will have access to more data about EU travellers to the US, another is to say that the US will have direct access to EU databases.
That’s true. The title might lead to think of a generalised access. The data exchange is not defined yet, and that is the work to be done as stated in the paper you linked. Annex, point 3:
In particular, the framework agreement should provide clear and precise rules and procedures for triggering a query on a traveller, to preclude a systematic, generalised and non-targeted processing of data for all travellers.
Yeah, never heard that one before a country wide surveillance database was generated.
When the government, especially the USA, and surveillance is concerned,I expect worst results instead of good faith.
FUCK THAT, THIS IS ILLEGAL
