mitram

I feel like the definition I use for state might be somewhat different than most around here, as I would consider an administration as a state.

Even without class struggle, crimes and abused would still occur how can a copless society (with millions of members) resolve this issues? Local militias? Wouldn’t those be the “police”?

Curious to hear from you

Thank you for sharing

I’ll be honest, I don’t know enough about Cuba to know whether or not it deserves the label. I’ve seen first accounts of events supporting both views, that Cuba is on path to a society exempt from exploitation and that it’s ruled by an oppressive elite that uses the aesthetic of Marxism to fool the population.

If you have any suggestions on how to learn more I’d appreciate it.

And yes “authoritarianism” is reductive of all interactions in a political system, we agree on that

I agree with you and don’t feel it contradicts the opinion that “authoritarian” is more than a mere tool against communists

Either way, and as I’ve said in another comment, this feels mostly like discussing semantics, but I’m enjoying the civilised conversation

I don’t agree with equating the behaviour of fascist states and AES.

Yes both wield authority, but one’s authority is backed by a small number of people with access to great power and resources, while other’s authority is legitimised by the will of the majority

I believe that difference is critical in differentiating the two

I’m not sure I agree with your view.

Words are commonly misused but they still have meanings. In a society where the will of the majority is ignored in favour of the will of the few I think most people would agree it’s an authoritarian society, it’s usually not that black and white but every society is closer or further from authoritarian

Thank you for the references

I find it interesting the way you put it

What would a stateless society look like in your opinion? Are there any practical examples?

Pardon my ignorance but I don’t know the term “AES state”

If I see it through that perspective I get it, still sounds odd to me to label authoritarianism only as a western tool to criticise communists

Right that’s why I don’t understand @bubblybubbles’s point.

All terms are made up, but it makes sense to have a definition for authoritarianism. It feels like we are just discussing semantics

Wouldn’t you consider Hitler’s ideology authoritarian? Or Mussolini’s?

Although I have no formal education in the field and my profession has nothing to do with Cooperatives (aka democratic enterprises), I’ve been heavily invested in reading literature and participating in any local event I can find about the subject, so I probably know more than the average

Since I’m on this topic, if anyone speaks Portuguese and wants to learn more about it feel free to join us at !cooperativas@lemmy.pt. If you don’t speak Portuguese, you have other communities

Oi! Também estive no lemm.ee 😅 Acho que o @tmpod@lemmy.pt foi o criador

Temos aqui muitas comunidades que precisavam de mais atividade, se fores ao lemmy.pt no navegador podes ver todas as comunidades

Puxando a brasa à minha sardinha, criei recentemente uma comunidade onde estou a tentar começar uma leitura acompanhada (embora esta semana esteja atrasado 😢). Se gostares do tópico ou não souberes do que se trata fica à vontade para deixar alguma pergunta!

If the whole left had united in Lisbon it might have been a different story, still very close though

Not really, local elections tend to have different results than the legislative elections, in Portugal.

For example, while PCP (communist party) has very small representation in our national parliament (2/170) it’s still the third largest party in number of mayor’s, way ahead of the far right.

The same applies to CDS (conservatives), that left the parliament a couple years ago (and came back last year) and were still able to elect 6 mayor’s.