I hope you get another comment from someone who knows way more than I have picked up, but from what I can tell he apparently wore a Pepe costume and Nick Fuentes apparently was suggesting Kirk was a fascist. I’m not sure what Nick’s actual politics are other than despicable, but apparently he didn’t like how Kirk was doing fascism so I guess you can think Kirk is a fascist and support Fuentes. People are taking that and the furry aspect of the alleged engravings because apparently Fuentes fans lean into being furries. So overall it seems like a Pepe costume, furry reference, and fascist critiques are being interpreted by some to suggest groyper. Admittedly, I am not thoroughly convinced, but “If you’re reading this you’re gay LMAO” is some generic 4chan trash that I can’t imagine any actual anti fascists would want to be tied to. Stranger things have happened though.

The issue is you often don’t have to manipulate someone into doing something that is harmful for them, especially if they do not have the life experience to know what harmful looks like. I’m not saying they should be barred from doing things, but it’s natural to question a relationship where there is a power imbalance, and generally age gap relationships exhibit that imbalance. An imbalance does not mean manipulation occurs, just that there is an opportunity there. Saying young people don’t generally have as much life experience is not infantilizing, it’s generally factual. That is easy to exploit even if you are not intending to. When people make these arguments, I’m always curious as to how many young people they actually know and interact with in a non work environment. The difference between speaking to an 18 year old and a 20 year old is often gargantuan. I wonder if they are not willing to give an 18 year old with their first job more leeway for mistakes than an older person who’s now had several jobs. I think it’s good to give people who are just learning more grace, and to expect more of people who have been around longer. I don’t think that’s infantilizing, I think that’s recognizing the situation people are in and meeting them where they are at. I don’t see how that does not obviously translate to interpersonal relationships.

I will add that I generally see women (the ones more likely to be on the younger end of this equation) advocating against age gaps. Often, women who speak from personal experience note that it was not a positive experience for them. I’m sure some say it’s positive, but the stats seem to indicate that they are on the whole not good either short term or long term. So I generally err on the side of lived experience and statistics, especially when they corroborate each other. I don’t think people are advocating for laws against them, but it makes sense for society to warn of the issues, like we should do with all other things that can cause harm when people would not otherwise be aware of it.

I can no longer tell what is bait, but I’ll bite.

The person you’re replying to said the woman was 18. Society has to make a cut off at a certain point, and 18 isn’t necessarily a bad place, but their life experience and mental faculties are not on an even footing with a 30+ year old. The “brain isn’t developed until 25” isn’t correct, but it’s not wholly wrong. The idea is that the closer one is to underage the easier it is to take advantage of them even if you did not directly groom them. I think that’s why most people direct criticism at the older party in age gap relationships.

Some women may be attracted to older men for perfectly healthy reasons, and vice versa, but generally people marry others within a few years of their own age. The gap in age of married couples has decreased as women have gotten more freedoms. I’m not able to say with certainty that in an equal and free society women prefer men in their age group, but it sure seems like the more rights women have the smaller that gap is. One would argue that says something about what women are actually attracted to, on the whole.

Not all younger women attracted to older men have trauma, but it’s not unusual. An 18 year old is likely to still be living at home. If they don’t always feel safe at home, an older man with their own place seems like a great option. It’s not the man’s fault that the woman has a bad home life, but the fact that the woman may not be able to be completely independent leaves her in a vulnerable position that he may unwittingly be taking advantage of. In her mind, her older boyfriend is “safe”, but really her home is unsafe and he is just the alternative. That’s not a healthy foundation for a relationship. Of course that’s not everyone’s story, or potentially even most people’s story, but an 18 year old generally doesn’t have the experience to know what healthy relationships look like. Two people figuring it out together can be tough but it’s a learning experience, whereas a more experienced partner is likely to have an established framework that they can force on the less experienced one. Again, not saying this is always happening, and it can be coming from a positive place, but generally this dynamic makes the less experienced partner into the one learning from the other all the time, which puts them at a disadvantage, even on a subconscious level. “Oh, he’s more experienced, he probably knows what’s best, I should just do what he says”. They’re less likely to have developed their own sense of self and ability to enforce boundaries. You’d hope that the older person would be helpful in this process, but really that’s not the outcome you generally see. The way men are positioned in society already puts women in a deferential position, adding in this idea of age equating to wisdom or maturity, it’s hard not to see how a young woman might be poorly positioned to fully find or express herself in an age gap relationship, not to mention the coercive effect money can have.

Two consenting adults should indeed be able to do what they want, but people regularly consent to things that are bad for their overall wellbeing. People are free to smoke and drink and do all sorts of things. Being able to do something doesn’t free you from being judged for your behavior. It’s not always the correct judgement, but social norms generally get more progressive (fair/inclusive) and age gaps are increasingly frowned upon, which I think speaks to a society that’s seen the harm they have done and is rebuking them for it.

The meme is also a false equivalence. Unless someone really likes medical/legal dramas, they are likely watching other things too. Game of thrones, black mirror, stranger things, the sandman, white lotus, severance, succession, ted lasso, euphoria. All of these were steaming hits. I don’t know what’s on tv now, but to act like it’s all of anime vs two types of western media is ridiculous off the bat. People talk about rewatching Futurama and Seinfeld or friends, which I think were all extremely popular traditional tv shows. You could easily remake it as “all American shows” vs “generic isekai/gundam” and it’d be equally as valid.

Realistically, I think cultural differences play a big role. Anime is often over the top from a western perspective and produced in a way western media isn’t. There’s also the fact it’s animated, but even live action media produced in Asia doesn’t resonate as well with average American audiences.