Eldritch

No one said it wasn’t an option. Nor was anyone criticizing you for having that opinion. I believe you don’t know. The pushback you’re receiving is that you are asserting what people who aren’t you, cannot know in your opinion. You don’t know that. And for how much you dislike my argument. You cannot rebut it because you have even less evidence of your position. Dispute ours only being based around the Fuentes cult engraved memes on the casings and the overwhelming preponderance of circumstantial evidence.

The hilarious irony is that whether the kid is left or right, it’s irrelevant. It has and will be pinned on the left regardless of evidence. Because the fascists need it to be. And we bumble among ourselves arguing pointless minutiae as fascists achieve their goals.

In the end realistically more than anything the kid was conflicted, manipulated, confused, and mentally unwell. Regardless of political leanings. And our society and dominant politics are the ones to blame. Not the nebulous “the left” bogeyman.

I never said it was evidence. You simply took the least relevant portion of a full statement to misrepresent it. The full statement was that their political diversity wasn’t any better than their ethnic diversity, which you have agreed is factual demographics.

Of all the stupid things Missourians have done, us running the Mormons out of the state wasn’t one of them.Utah is run by a conglomeration of multiple cults, including the Mormons and Republicans. The Mormons explicitly disassociating and ostracizing anyone who dares question them from their families and friends. Was my phrasing sensationalist and incendiary? Yes. Is anything I just said wrong? No. They actively ostracize anyone intelligent enough to show a critical thing.

Above all I think the kid is confused, conflicted, and mentally unwell. Which in our current environment is no condemnation of him. I think we all struggle with it. Now, its also quite clear he comes from a heavily right winged background, which I think even you cannot deny.

Hell, I would say that you personally empathize with the kid mistakenly or not. And only any monster like Kirk would ridicule empathy. That said, you should probably also know better than anyone that it’s almost impossible to escape cults. There’s been no evidence that this is the case with him.

Though I’m not sure how posting from Lemme. ML is a good thing though? The greater fediverse, sure. As a rule, I tend not to attack people I see posting from there. Since at one point it was the only game in town, and there are people who still use it. Who don’t align with the political suppression and censorship there. But for those that do, Marxist Leninism is an ideology, so destructive and toxic. It only comes in second to fascism here in the United States because of its larger-scale irrelevance.

LOL, I’m not mad. Gauging from your frustrated response, I’d say you’re projecting a little. I’m simply pointing out that skepticism for skepticism’s sake is no boon. The first couple of days, it was absolutely the call. But the longer this has gone on, the more that has come out. The more transparent, the more desperate the actions of the fascists in power to try to paint this on leftists has become. They can’t point to any leftist literature that he had.They can’t point to any of his actions, or behaviour to show it either.

First, it was just that he himself was trans. When that narrative blew up in their face, then it became about this trans roommate. That everyone knows exists, but no one can find or get even an anonymous quote from. Not that a trans person “existing“ would radicalize someone.

While we hem and haw debating the accuracy of the things they throw out in bad faith. They have and will trample/slaughter the truth regardless. Considering the agenda and incompetence of those running the show. We should spend more energy being sceptical of anything they put out. It will be framed and misrepresented to suit them at best. At best.

Lefty ex Mormons absolutely exist. And I’ve met several here. But I think all of them, if they were being honest. Would absolutely tell you that they are the exception and not the rule.

4chan incells constantly say everyone who disagrees with them are too hateful because they push back against what the incells say.

The memes on the bullets weren’t clearly antifa. As others have pointed out they’re ironic cultural re-appropriations by fuentez’s community. Precisely because it muddies things and implicates those they see as enemies. It’s a common, fascist tactic to distort and dilute the meaning of things.

There’s been nothing meaningful and verified found that implicates him as a leftist. No literature, no behavior.Or any meaningful indicators whatsoever. Just speculation from someone at Fox and “LOL memes“.

Don’t get me wrong, there’s been Some information possibly from the other side, such as the Photoshop of him in a Trump shirt that has been proven fake.

No one is trying to portray it as the left not being able to kill or commit acts of terror. Everyone is simply pushing back on clear, transparent, fascist propaganda to victimize innocent people. Justifying the violence, they’re already committing. Had much of the media sphere and the President of the United States not already tried using this as a justification to continue attacking innocent people. I would agree with the caution on assumption of the kids political leanings. But, civilly pushing back against fascists is no vice.

Apparently the only source for that claim was a Fox adjacent person. And they are desperate to frame this in some way about being about innocent people.

Bang!

You ignoring the evidence put forward doesn’t make it not exist. Do better.

So what you’re saying is that you have nothing? Not a single solitary fact, that you can point to that might indicate his possible left-leaning stance. Just on the face of it, over 70% of political violence in the United States comes from right-wing sources, less than 10% from left. By those numbers alone, it’s a fairly safe assumption he probably wasn’t at leftist.

Those currently in power are actively trying to frame it as a leftist to justify current and future abuses of innocent people.There’s nothing wrong with pushing such a well-founded assumption as the likely truth. in the face of their propaganda. But refusing to push back against unfounded accusations against those who would be our allies. Shows that you are not likely their ally.

But, you know what? I take it all back. Your complete and utter lack of anything at all to point to has convinced me.

No one here said a leftist couldn’t have done this. What people are saying is that due to clear circumstantial evidence, there’s very little chance he is a leftist. Many of these pieces I just recited to you. But if you truly think it is just as likely that he is a leftist, why don’t you read off five or six circumstantial markers that you think indicate this?

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, though. The kid was born in crackerstan. Non-Republican’s there are about as common as non-whites. He’s the result of a long-term breeding experiment that investigates what would happen if you concentrated all the most gullible/ignorant people into a single space. Their Republican governor literally prayed to their god, that the person guilty of the crime was an outsider/other that they could all openly admonish and attack. acknowledging in a Freudian manner, just how bad and demented people in the area are because of the cult. His whole family are sympathizers for the fascists.And much like Mormonism is the dumbest of an already dumb religion. He somehow found a dumber sect than the dumbest sect of politics his family was already in.

About all the kid was confused and conflicted. Generally very conservative and Republican by any measure.

It’s an irrelevant question. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It just makes things more toxic. It’s wrong when the US does it, like anyone else. None of these governments with corrupt centralized power should exist. And this sort of propaganda doesn’t help people.

Yes, 100% this. I use both of them regularly. A lot of new releases are on band camp and not even on discogs anymore. But combined with music brains Picard, they are awesome.

It’s not “capitalism”. It’s just an ideology like Leninism. Ideologies rely on ideal conditions and circumstances to function well. When those ideologies disregard or outright neglect human nature. As both those do. They have and always will degrade and fail.

Proprietary “can” mean better support. But that’s asterisk heavy. Often that comes down to commercial hardware putting up road blocks to competitors. Or the open source solution being the product of a single developer in their spare time.