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Be me -
Gets the Ok from IT to switch to a Linux Distro for my work desktop.
Gets the Ok from my direct manager.
Gets the Ok from our contracts manager who used to be in my direct managers position before.
Direct manager reaches out to lead developer, who happens to be a windows fanboy, for the web app we use to ensure “compatibility”, gets told to be careful of what I do and our cybersecurity insurance won’t cover it.
Be me, looking around at all the minuscule pieces of hardware connected to the internet likely running some form of Linux or Unix.
It’s a fucking web app. Make sure it works for a browser. You suck as a web developer if your shit web app needs to work on a specific OS.
And those are fighting words because I build web apps.
I’ve started noticing websites just to refuse to work on Linux:
- Xfinity
- Microsoft
- United Airlines
- American Airlines
It’s not like some weird script error either. It’s straight up a 403 Forbidden on certain routes. Works perfectly fine if I switch to my Windows laptop. It’s like it took one look at my user agent string and decided I was a bot.
Not saying you’re wrong, but if you’re running a VPN it could be that as well. More and more sites are demanding CAPTCHA tests and verification holds or just returning 403 for VPN access no matter what OS you are running.
No VPN.
I cooked up my own VPN and I still get blocked sometimes because it’s a data centre IP. For example, Wikipedia blocked the whole /30 range.
Man they get really up in your business if you aren’t using Chrome and their dinky extension, that I swear he pulled from someone’s GitHub and rebranded as his own, which all it does is open file links in the file browser.
I made a point by switching my user agent on Zen Browser to report as Chrome, Ubuntu haven’t heard a peep about it yet.
Side note at one point in time the clock-in we use, which is also a web app, had its admin/manager panel exposed to everyone in the company, I reported it and all I got was a thanks.
sudo dnf up
yay. permissions for sudo will be asked for automatically.sudo zypper dup
Ain’t nobody got time for apt-get. apt all the way.
Yeah it’s crazy to me that people default to it. For scripts, sure, but apt is so much prettier.
People are creatures of habit and apt didn’t always exist
I use apt in scripts and docker files. I don’t even know what apt-get is supposed to do better there?
It has a stable API but realistically I can’t see them changing apt so much it matters.
I recall somewhere that it makes some kind of difference in scripts
apt-get has a stable API is my understanding.
wdym “a stable api”?
A mythical thing. Humans tell stories of impossible things around campfires and by the light of monitors
The apt(8) commandline is designed as an end-user tool and it may change behavior between versions. While it tries not to break backward compatibility this is not guaranteed either if a change seems beneficial for interactive use.
oh, ok.
but i wouldn’t care. i’d say “fuck it, we ball”
(confirmable by the number of
--noconfirms used inhistory)That’d just the difference between them, I don’t think it’s something to worry about in your personal machine. Maybe if you’re writing a script that thousands of people will use or something.
My experience, updates usually work fine. Dist upgrades work fine 2/3 of the time.
The support for updating to a new version of a distribution is often still a headache. Some distributions don’t support it at all.
Dont you mean: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
Nope. I meant paru.
Yea
apt-getis so 2010
Except that every so often my graphics drivers get messed up somehow and I need to spend the afternoon debugging it. Tbf this has happened to me on Windows too, although less often.
Found the nvidia user 😅
Yep…
They both require a restart.
Usually only for kernal revisions on Linux.
Windows also does most of its updating silently while handling its major version upgrades a lot more elegantly.
When you are neck-deep in a (possibly mult-day) project where a restart would lose your place, I wouldn’t really call this ‘elegant’…
Yes, saving is definitely not a thing in any app…
What I was specifically referencing there though is that Linux distro upgrade installers universally suck AFAIK. They break left and right and when they do they basically take out the system. Otherwise, Windows’ behavior there does suck a fair bit
You don’t have to reboot after updating Debian (and most mutable distros I think?) packages, you just need to restart the updated software/software using updated libraries.
The easiest way to achieve this is of course to reboot, but it’s not required at all.
Nothing like the joy of my system upgrading without a hassle… just need to press the up arrow key until I find the command… I’ll get there eventually
I did this until my coworker got annoyed enough that they told me to start using
history | greplmaooWow, thank you for this.
Or ctrl+r and start typing what you’re searching for, and repeat ctrl+r to find the next newest match.
For example,
[C-r] ssh [C-r] [C-r]will auto fill the 3rd most recent ssh command you’ve run. Try it, your life will be filled with rainbows and unicorns.There are even better ways built into the shell, but I can never remember any of them. I also never thought of
history|grep, I think I might actually remember that one. Thanks!Wait until they tell you about ctrl+r!
fishshell and you can type the first chars of the command and it will show an autocompleate.
Meanwhile in Fedora:
At least you get the option to disable, I have it disabled, I’ll reboot when I say I will reboot.
What? I’ve never had fedora reboot itself. Sometimes it asks if I want to install updates on reboot or shutdown. But I am always in charge of when that happens.
Wait what? I have been running silver blue and vanilla fedora recently and I don’t remember this happening. I always run my update script manually every day or so though. When do you see this screen?
It updates just like Windows automatically, in Discover. Then it asks to restart and upgrade and it’s just like Windows. I did this just today. Nice UI and UX with Fedora with Plasma.
When it updatedssystem files it’ll do this when you shut down your computer.
If you never shut it down it never will lol
Is it just me or does it feel like this takes longer than just upgrading and restarting manually?
It is done that way for better reliability. It is optional and not even needed with Silverblue.
Atomic zypper gang!! <3
Non-atomic zypper enjoyers here!!!
Why isnt updating a one liner?
sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgradetopgrade
takes 1 minute on an 8 year old machine. foss gang cant meme.
dnf upgrade
dnf5 made this so much more enjoyable
Is dnf5 on by default in fedora 42? Or is that delayed till 43
dnf5 became default in 41.
topgrade -y
And my work here is done.
