How much automation would be required? What mechanisms would be required (social, economic, governmental).

  • Paragone@lemmy.world
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    The key principle is that the lower the population-density, AND the lower the multiplicative-power of their technology, … the less-restrained one’s own rights are, by others’ rights.

    Extreme cases:

    • a person who is the only inhabitant of a jungle-planet, & one has only primitive-technology, they would have to work really-hard to do sooo much damage to the place to cause significant damage to the ecology’s future-viability.

    • a person who is 1 of billions, in a city-world, with nearly-no-ecology-left, who has guns/explosives/poisons, who decides to butcher many-many-many-lives, either directly ( mass-shooting, destroying a bridge while many others are on it, 2001-Sept-11/airliners-as-weapons, whatever ), or indirectly ( destroy key-ecology-protection-laws, remove civilrights, etc ), … CAN do immense harm to the-rest-of-the-world’s/population’s-lives, from now on.


    Therefore, there are 2 dimensions that have to be measured accurately, in order to discover how to limit someone’s rights, for sake of the overall ( & all individual-rights are in-relation-to overall-rights, & to other-individual-rights )

    Therefore, the definition of “egalitarian” itself is dependent on the population-density!

    It also is dependent on the technology-power-to-harm-others…


    In a small-town where everybody-knows-everybody, & it is social-pressure which enforces obedience, the everybody-adult-is-armed paradigm may work, until some cabal/gang gains control of it.

    In a city where anonymity is normal, everybody-armed can’t work: DarkTriad-types simply aren’t restrained by the regime.

    Therefore, in a city, more-careful-vetting is required, for that right.


    In a small-town where everybody-knows-everybody, it may be possible for elections to produce good matches between individual-nature & civil-authority-roles.

    In a larger population, where DarkTriad is automatically advantaged by political-process, political-process is itself the wrong means of deciding who has what civil-authority-role.

    Judging has to be much-more-finely-grained, dimension-by-dimension, & the DarkTriad/DarkTetrad types HAVE to be prevented, automatically, systematically, from having any civil-authority-role.


    These are simply systems-questions.

    IF you configure a system so that it is simple, THEN it can do simple function.

    IF you configure a system so that it is truly-complex, THEN you have myriad ways in which it can go wrong, so getting the “skeleton” right, for the kind of function required, is absolutely crucial.

    Sea-sponges have only 2 kinds of cells: surface & interior.

    They can be made in any sea-sponge-form, & they’ll work.

    Vertebrates, however, have IMMENSE diversity of cell-types, & that diversity has to work in hierarchical-concert, for the organism to be viable, & to work properly.

    The greater the complexity of the civilization, the more-accurately its function has to be tuned.

    & the distributed-male-monarchy fantasy of the “wild West” glorifiers, or the bulls+cows “traditional relationship” that the zionists, christofascists, islamists, & hindutva are all working at enforcing… those aren’t either egalitarian, or that civil, tbh…

    Egalitarianism requires that people value & respect others’ validity & LivingWorth!

    Narcissism won’t do that.

    Machiavellianism doesn’t do that.

    Sociopathy-psychopathy can’t do that.

    Therefore, truly-egalitarian civilization requires that DarkTriad be prevented from exercizing civil-authority, legislative-authority, etc.

    That is prerequisite to it working.

    It isn’t the only criterion, but without it you aren’t even playing-that-category-of-game.

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