How much automation would be required? What mechanisms would be required (social, economic, governmental).

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 day ago

    Huh?

    It would just require taxation on a progressive rate that includes a portion where people earning no (or very little) money receive money as a negative tax bracket…

    That’s it, we could do it tomorrow.

    What were you thinking of when you’re talking about “automations” and “mechanisms”?

    There’d need to be something that pays it out monthly or by weekly for budgeting, but that’s not exactly a complicated thing, infrastructure is already built up for that

    • Hapankaali@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 day ago

      Not only “could” it be done, it already exists - though probably not to the degree we could say such societies are “egalitarian” (except in a relative sense).

    • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      Automation in the sense we are able to remove all undesirable jobs. Mechanisms like forms of government, law, economic structure, currency, social structures etcetera.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 day ago

        In that case:

        Automation: none

        Mechanisms: way less than we invented to maintain wealth inequality

        If anything, it would drastically simplify everything

    • null@piefed.nullspace.lol
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 day ago

      people earning no (or very little) money

      In here is where the complexity lies.

      I’m not saying it’s impossible, but calculating wealth is nebulous and might not be possible by tomorrow.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        wealth

        Is not the same as

        earning

        Do you understand that?

        But “we can’t calculate wealth” is horseshit, it gets done every second of every day.

        Especially for the oligarchs, because the live off loans that use wealth and assets as collateral to avoid realizing gains.

        Those numbers already exist for the ones you think it would be hard to calculate.

        And even if the numbers didnt that doesn’t mean it would be impossible to get them, we’ve been doing it literally as long as human society existed

        Like, I’m sorry man, I’m just literally dumbfounded at your comment for a lot more reasons than what I already typed out.

        • null@piefed.nullspace.lol
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          wealth

          Is not the same as

          earning

          Do you understand that?

          So how are you calculating how much someone “earned”, then? Do you mean their income?

          But “we can’t calculate wealth” is horseshit, it gets done every second of every day.

          Who said “we can’t calculate wealth”? Are they in the thread with us?

          Like, I’m sorry man, I’m just literally dumbfounded at your comment for a lot more reasons than what I already typed out.

          More than half your comment is arguing with a strawman. I’m not surprised you’re winded.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 day ago

            So how are you calculating how much someone “earned”, then?

            You don’t know what income tax is? Have you heard the phrase “income tax” before?

            You’re going to have to ask one question at a time if you want to have a chance at understanding explanations, we’re literally starting at the very beginning…

            Edit:

            Actually…

            Who said “we can’t calculate wealth”? Are they in the thread with us?

            You did…

            I’m not saying it’s impossible, but calculating wealth is nebulous and might not be possible by tomorrow.

            Like, right there buddy…

            You said it’s so hard we can’t really do it…

            • null@piefed.nullspace.lol
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 day ago

              You don’t know what income tax is? Have you heard the phrase “income tax” before?

              Sure. Most wealthy people pay almost none of it. Their income is next-to-nothing.

              So that’s one calculation you’re using, very good. Next one?

            • null@piefed.nullspace.lol
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 day ago

              To respond to your edit:

              You did….

              You said it’s so hard we can’t really do it…

              Nope. You’re wrong.