What? None of them are good. Arrest and charge them all. That’s one big difference, left doesn’t really give a fuck, charge them ALL. The cult will never admit to mistakes by their orange leader, it’s double and triple down, distract, lie, distract, lie more, on and on. Orange leader can do no wrong in their eyes. Anyone with empathy and 3 brain cells says lock them ALL up, NOW, no matter the “side”.
I don’t know how people can maintain their suspension of disbelief at this point.
How do people still not see that, as horrendous as a child rape ring is, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just an entertaining diversion for these people, whose day job is running the imperial core.
I think it’s really hard for people to accept that everything they believed in is basically wrong. They don’t live in a democracy, they don’t have a voice, they can’t vote their way out of the hole they’re in. That’s a hard pill to swallow for the crowd that convinced itself that they just need to vote harder and everything will be alright.
Yeah, I remember a while back I introduced a friend to some simple basic facts about capitalism and it just made him really sad to the point of passivity and not wanting to learn any more. I guess my approach was wrong at the time. I have more success now, but I’m not sure what I do differently. Maybe contradictions have just increased.
I find when you are trying to educate people you know, you kind of have to learn how the person thinks and then tailor the message in terms that will likely resonate with them based on their own values. How you express an idea tends to matter as much as the idea itself.
I’m worried about the implications that the child sex ring was a honeypot that was supported by multiple intelligence agencies. My understanding is that Maxwell has ties to Mossad and the US government clearly had knowledge of this shit for decades, yet the few investigations went nowhere. Is it simply because the perpetrators were wealthy and influential? Or was it because the whole operation was viewed as an important intelligence asset? In addition to funding the bombing of schools and refugee camps, are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?
There is a world of room between “good” and “ran a child sex trafficking ring”. Clinton may be a POS for many reasons and he may have visited Epstine island and maybe even raped children (we don’t know at this point but anyone in the flight logs is sus). That is all absolutely terrible but it’s still very different than kidnapping 10’s or hundreds of children to rape and pimp. And the files seem to indicate that Trump was actively involved in this scheme for decades.
Yeah there is a difference between the pimp and the john.
And i still think Clinton should go to prison if he had sex with girls or trafficked women.
But that’s not nearly at the level of punishment I think is fit for Trump , Epstein (assuming he’s still alive) , maxwell, and all the others who raped children and engaged in violence and torture with them. And of course the men who funded Epstein’s enterprise. And shielded him.
I also think any women who helped him deserves pretty bad punishment. You can be a victim and a predator. So their own victimizing doesn’t get them off.
They broke an even more sacred pact between women.
Women believe other women can be trusted. We always have each other. We always look out for each other. Especially from a man trying to hurt us. We warn each other.
Women need this. We depend on it.
But they used this against girls and other women to lure them into danger.
That’s kinda the point I was making. The meme says “these guys kept child sex slaves”. Someone responds that Clinton didn’t have the same level of involvement as Trump and Epstein. Someone else responded “they want to believe their guy is good”. My response is basically “saying that he isn’t a pimp isn’t saying that he’s good”.
There are different levels of evil. All should be dealt with. Maybe the worst (the pimps, traffickers, ringleaders and financiers) should get priority, especially if they pose a greater threat to everyone else? Pointing that out is in no way excusing the lesser evil.
I haven’t seen anyone in this thread saying anything positive about Clinton. At most, a few folks have pointed out that we haven’t seen any rape accusations against Clinton in the files. I doubt that you’ll find anyone here who doesn’t want this whole mess properly investigated and for all of the guilty parties to get appropriate punishment.
I feel like I could have this same argument with a Trump supporter:
Trumpie: “Well, Clinton’s in the files too”
Me: ”I haven’t seen anyone tangible accusations, but if he committed crimes then lock him up”
T: “You just want to defend your guy”
Me: “Um, I really don’t. And please refrain from calling him ’my guy’”
I haven’t seen anyone in this thread saying anything positive about Clinton.
I’ve seen a lot of proactive defense of him from the same people who demanded unquestioning worship of the second worst genocide supporter. This is the same garbage.
Yeah, the Clintons have done absolutely terrible things. I would never claim otherwise. I don’t remember the Clinton administration very well but I don’t doubt that he’s a war criminal.
The meme claims that Bill was “keeping child sex slaves” and that isn’t supported by any evidence that I’ve seen.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
Indeed they should, but they won’t, because they’re above the law. They shouldn’t be above the law, but they objectively are. What you’re seeing isn’t some rare exception, it’s a peek behind the curtain of how the United States is actually run, and it’s nothing like how it’s supposed to work on paper.
Also, alll those people in the files that were in active contact with Epstein after it was public knowlegde he was a child molester deserve no respect and should be investigated as well.
“There’s no evidence this longtime Epstein associate who flew multiple times on a plane called the Lolita Express did anything inappropriate with kids”
The scumbag was accused decades before this came out by plenty women even during his university years.
He got away with it because of his position.
And once a rapist always a rapist.
You can delude yourself all you want if you think he didn’t go to Epstein Island to rape kids.
disgusting
You know things are going well for your wealthy rapist of choice when you’re reduced to saying “Well can you prove that he was doing the things that everyone around him was also doing?”
Yeah man the president of the united states totally needed the funding and connections of a known pedophile in order to do some vague, nondescript “social work”.
He didn’t need to, but he was not a known pedophile, and the travel was tied publicly tied to Clinton foundation work like the 2002 Africa trip for HIV/AIDS.
Again, you think Trump hid evidence of Clinton’s wrongdoings but published damning things on himself?
Trump is trying to drop the Epstein files entirely, if anyone involved is implicated then everyone involved is implicated, as it establishes the validity of guilt among those involved with Epstein, that’s why literally no one other than Maxwell has done any time for any of this fucked up nonsense, and they’re actively trying to undo any of her punishment with far more fervor than they’re putting into investigating anything else in the files. If he goes after Clinton then that would establish that there is reason to properly investigate and prosecute others in the files, and nobody is in the files more than Trump. He doesn’t want anyone to go down for any of it, because that would be painting a target on himself by way of legal precedence. It’s all just an act of self preservation by the system of pedophiles running the country from top to bottom, if one goes down then they could all go down.
Trump is worse to americans because he gives them a small taste of what ALL their oligarchs do to the rest of the world all the time.
AFAIC that makes him better.
Clinton was a corrupt mass-murdering scumbag, same as his psycho ghoul wife.
And even on the perversions I doubt Clinton is less bad.
Got away with a rape already in university, in between that and Lewinsky I bet there’s plenty of unreported abuse.
Give me one good objective reason for your statement.
It’s closer to “cancer is worse than HIV”, but that’s not a terrible analogy. While obviously neither is great, cancer is typically much more difficult to manage. HIV is a single virus which is much easier to mitigate, to the point that with modern treatment most people can live a pretty normal life, while cancer is a whole class of diseases for which treatment is much less reliable and much more invasive.
lol, libs want to cling to the idea that their oligarchs are the good ones so badly
What? None of them are good. Arrest and charge them all. That’s one big difference, left doesn’t really give a fuck, charge them ALL. The cult will never admit to mistakes by their orange leader, it’s double and triple down, distract, lie, distract, lie more, on and on. Orange leader can do no wrong in their eyes. Anyone with empathy and 3 brain cells says lock them ALL up, NOW, no matter the “side”.
their cult can do no wrong.
so fanatic they want to defend this pedo.
As if mass-murdering wasn’t enough.
I don’t know how people can maintain their suspension of disbelief at this point.
How do people still not see that, as horrendous as a child rape ring is, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just an entertaining diversion for these people, whose day job is running the imperial core.
I think it’s really hard for people to accept that everything they believed in is basically wrong. They don’t live in a democracy, they don’t have a voice, they can’t vote their way out of the hole they’re in. That’s a hard pill to swallow for the crowd that convinced itself that they just need to vote harder and everything will be alright.
Yeah, I remember a while back I introduced a friend to some simple basic facts about capitalism and it just made him really sad to the point of passivity and not wanting to learn any more. I guess my approach was wrong at the time. I have more success now, but I’m not sure what I do differently. Maybe contradictions have just increased.
I find when you are trying to educate people you know, you kind of have to learn how the person thinks and then tailor the message in terms that will likely resonate with them based on their own values. How you express an idea tends to matter as much as the idea itself.
I’m worried about the implications that the child sex ring was a honeypot that was supported by multiple intelligence agencies. My understanding is that Maxwell has ties to Mossad and the US government clearly had knowledge of this shit for decades, yet the few investigations went nowhere. Is it simply because the perpetrators were wealthy and influential? Or was it because the whole operation was viewed as an important intelligence asset? In addition to funding the bombing of schools and refugee camps, are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?
If you’re in the mood for yet another mindfuck today, your federal taxes don’t actually pay for anything. Previously.
For liberals, and right wing in general, it’s just another Red Team vs. Blue Team match with political flavor.
There is a world of room between “good” and “ran a child sex trafficking ring”. Clinton may be a POS for many reasons and he may have visited Epstine island and maybe even raped children (we don’t know at this point but anyone in the flight logs is sus). That is all absolutely terrible but it’s still very different than kidnapping 10’s or hundreds of children to rape and pimp. And the files seem to indicate that Trump was actively involved in this scheme for decades.
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Yeah there is a difference between the pimp and the john.
And i still think Clinton should go to prison if he had sex with girls or trafficked women.
But that’s not nearly at the level of punishment I think is fit for Trump , Epstein (assuming he’s still alive) , maxwell, and all the others who raped children and engaged in violence and torture with them. And of course the men who funded Epstein’s enterprise. And shielded him.
I also think any women who helped him deserves pretty bad punishment. You can be a victim and a predator. So their own victimizing doesn’t get them off.
They broke an even more sacred pact between women.
Women believe other women can be trusted. We always have each other. We always look out for each other. Especially from a man trying to hurt us. We warn each other.
Women need this. We depend on it.
But they used this against girls and other women to lure them into danger.
Unforgivable.
Agreed. 100%
We keep being told to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There is no good on offer. Just varying levels of reprehensible shit.
That’s kinda the point I was making. The meme says “these guys kept child sex slaves”. Someone responds that Clinton didn’t have the same level of involvement as Trump and Epstein. Someone else responded “they want to believe their guy is good”. My response is basically “saying that he isn’t a pimp isn’t saying that he’s good”.
There are different levels of evil. All should be dealt with. Maybe the worst (the pimps, traffickers, ringleaders and financiers) should get priority, especially if they pose a greater threat to everyone else? Pointing that out is in no way excusing the lesser evil.
I haven’t seen anyone in this thread saying anything positive about Clinton. At most, a few folks have pointed out that we haven’t seen any rape accusations against Clinton in the files. I doubt that you’ll find anyone here who doesn’t want this whole mess properly investigated and for all of the guilty parties to get appropriate punishment.
I feel like I could have this same argument with a Trump supporter: Trumpie: “Well, Clinton’s in the files too” Me: ”I haven’t seen anyone tangible accusations, but if he committed crimes then lock him up” T: “You just want to defend your guy” Me: “Um, I really don’t. And please refrain from calling him ’my guy’”
I’ve seen a lot of proactive defense of him from the same people who demanded unquestioning worship of the second worst genocide supporter. This is the same garbage.
Both Clintons are in the Epstein files hundreds of times. They also both happen to be war criminals.
Yeah, the Clintons have done absolutely terrible things. I would never claim otherwise. I don’t remember the Clinton administration very well but I don’t doubt that he’s a war criminal.
The meme claims that Bill was “keeping child sex slaves” and that isn’t supported by any evidence that I’ve seen.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
You don’t need to defend the lesser evil just because it’s lesser.
Pretend they’re comedians. Pretend you’re comparing Louis CK to Bill Cosby. You don’t need to defend CK just because Cosby is worse.
Indeed they should, but they won’t, because they’re above the law. They shouldn’t be above the law, but they objectively are. What you’re seeing isn’t some rare exception, it’s a peek behind the curtain of how the United States is actually run, and it’s nothing like how it’s supposed to work on paper.
I swear, it’s impossible to parody lesser-evilists because you’re all self-parodies at this point.
Step back and realise that you’re trying to quibble about levels of evil between child rapists.
But their oligarch can’t be bad!
Seems to me that once you reach raping children stages there’s no need to split hairs further.
Yes, a thousand times yes.
Also, alll those people in the files that were in active contact with Epstein after it was public knowlegde he was a child molester deserve no respect and should be investigated as well.
Fair. I do think scale is sometime important. A single murder is not a genocide. But I can see your POV.
Regardless, Clinton is awful but IDK what he did on the island. If he did rape kids then I hope they throw his ass in jail.
Yeah, the clinton wing of the party would never support just one murder.
I want a worse fate for him if so, however, I don’t want it to be a distraction from the existing Pedo in Chief and their ilk.
There’s no evidence he did anything inappropriate with kids.
Trump, however, has been accused by multiple Epstein victims.
“There’s no evidence this longtime Epstein associate who flew multiple times on a plane called the Lolita Express did anything inappropriate with kids”
Well?
You’re implying that there is.
So where is it? You’re setting expectations extremely high for yourself.
Gonna need that evidence.
The scumbag was accused decades before this came out by plenty women even during his university years.
He got away with it because of his position.
And once a rapist always a rapist.
You can delude yourself all you want if you think he didn’t go to Epstein Island to rape kids.
disgusting
You know things are going well for your wealthy rapist of choice when you’re reduced to saying “Well can you prove that he was doing the things that everyone around him was also doing?”
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Correct. Epstein had connections to his charities. Was for humanitarian work.
You think Trump released the files with more evidence of him fucking kids than Clinton if there was any other option?
Yeah man the president of the united states totally needed the funding and connections of a known pedophile in order to do some vague, nondescript “social work”.
He didn’t need to, but he was not a known pedophile, and the travel was tied publicly tied to Clinton foundation work like the 2002 Africa trip for HIV/AIDS.
Again, you think Trump hid evidence of Clinton’s wrongdoings but published damning things on himself?
Trump is trying to drop the Epstein files entirely, if anyone involved is implicated then everyone involved is implicated, as it establishes the validity of guilt among those involved with Epstein, that’s why literally no one other than Maxwell has done any time for any of this fucked up nonsense, and they’re actively trying to undo any of her punishment with far more fervor than they’re putting into investigating anything else in the files. If he goes after Clinton then that would establish that there is reason to properly investigate and prosecute others in the files, and nobody is in the files more than Trump. He doesn’t want anyone to go down for any of it, because that would be painting a target on himself by way of legal precedence. It’s all just an act of self preservation by the system of pedophiles running the country from top to bottom, if one goes down then they could all go down.
The good ones? You know there’s a difference between “This oligarch is good” and “Both oligarchs are bad, but one is substantially worse”, right?
Trump is worse to americans because he gives them a small taste of what ALL their oligarchs do to the rest of the world all the time.
AFAIC that makes him better.
Clinton was a corrupt mass-murdering scumbag, same as his psycho ghoul wife.
And even on the perversions I doubt Clinton is less bad.
Got away with a rape already in university, in between that and Lewinsky I bet there’s plenty of unreported abuse.
Give me one good objective reason for your statement.
Liberals show no sign whatsoever that they believe the latter instead of the former.
But please keep being condescending when people don’t like your oligarch.
It’s like saying cancer is worse than AIDS.
It’s closer to “cancer is worse than HIV”, but that’s not a terrible analogy. While obviously neither is great, cancer is typically much more difficult to manage. HIV is a single virus which is much easier to mitigate, to the point that with modern treatment most people can live a pretty normal life, while cancer is a whole class of diseases for which treatment is much less reliable and much more invasive.