• Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    I could not agree less.

    You can’t spend most of your time in more than one country. I think multiple citizenship is absurd and being a citizen of a country you’re never in is even weirder.

    If you want to live in a country longterm, you should be a citizen there. Vice versa, if you don’t live in a country long-term, you shouldn’t.

    And I say this as someone who was birth-loopholed into three citizenships. It’s frankly absurd that I can vote in countries I visit maybe every other year.

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      16 hours ago

      It seems like this is one of the few things the EU should adopt from the US.

      We have US citizenship, but state issued birth certificate, and our (super flawed) social security numbers are state based too.

      But residency determines which state elections we vote in and that’s defined as where you get your mail and spend the most time.

      You only get one primary residence and that’s where you’re allowed to vote.

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        7 hours ago

        Wait, is this really the whole story? I know a couple of US ”expat” citizens living here in Europe (having dual citizenships) and they can still remote vote in their US home-state

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          2 hours ago

          I don’t know how expat works with state and local elections, but federal elections should still be allowed because as longer as you are a citizen, you are still affected by the laws and taxes are still due every year.

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      20 hours ago

      I’m sorry you can’t conceive of being intimately connected to more than one place at a time.

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        16 hours ago

        Primary residence is a thing. It’s where you spend the most time in a year and therefore where the local politics will affect you the most.

        Otherwise you can get billionaires going to dozens of countries to vote.

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          11 hours ago

          And if I switch from summer residence to winter residence every 6 months? I change my nationality every 6 months?

          I live in one country but work in another? Different policies like worker right’s and residential policies affect me.

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            8 hours ago

            People do that here. They go from New York to Florida every year. But they only get to vote for a governor, senators, representatives etc. of one of those states.

            So what of someone moves to a new state every 2 months, lives in short term rentals and ever up in 6 states/countries. Is there a limit?

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          14 hours ago

          That’s just not really related. Billionaires aren’t a reason to disenfranchise tax paying workers. They’re also a tiny group of people and they don’t consider their influence in light of a single vote, but in the power of money.

          It’s a question of what’s local. For the nationalist, your City is local. My position is that for a United body like the EU, the state I live and work in is local.

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            11 hours ago

            Right and the state you spend the most time in should be the one you are able to vote in. That’s what I was saying the US actually does correctly (though they are constantly trying to take that right away from students in many red states).

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              11 hours ago

              I’d be fine with getting their citizenship, but it shouldn’t automatically remove the citizenship of my home country.

              People can and do have interests and investments in multiple EU countries, even if you do not.

              The mobility of our workers is a strength.