Isn’t capitalist London the most surveilled city in the world?
@Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml @bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml It may have the most cameras per square mile, but the US has absolutely nill data protection laws (that actually work in any meaningful way), so they end up having “better surveillance” because they put the data together to spy on you better.
You need to be banned for make me see the face of this piece of shit.
What wrong with him? I only know him from low effort “reaction” video’s where he is gaming and barely paying attention to the video he’s “reacting” to.
Well what’s wrong with apart from all of the above I guess 😃
Right wing shithead anti woke that don’t take baths
“Libs”, pictured: right-wing nut job streamer, Asmongold.
Yes. Liberalism is a right-wing ideology, conservativism is a subsection of liberalism.
Everybody willingly carries a recording device with sound video and GPS tracking in their pockets at all time. Worrying about any kind of surveillance is pointless if you dont leave your ph9ne at home every day.
TikTok bad because Chinese spyware. Anyway brb time to check my Gmail inbox.
CHINA BAD AND USA BAD! They both fucking suck! But hey, keep defending the ‘communist’ survailence state that is one of the largest exporters in the global market. I am sure the workers feel like they own the profits.
The PRC is leaps and bounds better than the US, and it isn’t close. Further, socialism isn’t when “no exports,” lol.
Can we be honest and acknowledge the fact that if you’re doing socialism or communism correctly, your exports are going to be severely lower than capitalist shitholes like China and the USA? A system that values the workers is not going to have as much force behind it economically as a system that just uses as many laborers as possible as wage slaves. So China having a large export implies that they are not actually doing communism in any real way. Any claims that china is actually communist and it supports it’s peoples wellbeing is literally an American left wing conspiracy theory.
Any claims that china is actually communist and it supports it’s peoples wellbeing is literally an American left wing conspiracy theory.
Chinese people that like their government are part of an American left wing conspiracy I guess
You’re a clown. Talk to people that live there instead of other USians
Can you be honest and acknowledge the fact that you don’t seem to know what socialism or communism are? Communism is when low production? What Hearts of Iron mod convinced you of that, and how can we get you reading something real instead?
This is puritanism brain worms. Your position is that socialism done correctly is subsistence living. What a terrible vision.
No, we can’t, because that’s an absurd premise.
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Socialism is a mode of production. It isn’t when you import more than you export, or vice-versa. In the PRC, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, while medium and small firms have diverse forms of ownership like private, cooperative, and joint-stock. It’s in the primary stage of socialism.
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The idea that the PRC isn’t socialist is a “left” wing fallacy among Statesians. In the PRC, socialist countries like Cuba and Vietnam, and among major communist orgs, the PRC’s status as a developing socialist country is not in question.
You haven’t made any arguments as to why China is capitalist, just that it exports, but in reality it is import driven economies that are the most capitalist, and that isn’t even a rule, just a generalization.
Didn’t Mao do the Cultural Revolution specifically to prevent (not that it was implemented well or that it worked) what he saw the USSR was becoming and wanted to prevent China from following in the same capitalistic footsteps?
As in do you believe the person who said
(2) The imperialist powers have forced China to sign numerous unequal treaties by which they have acquired the right to station land and sea forces and exercise consular jurisdiction in China, [17] and they have carved up the whole country into imperialist spheres of influence. [18]
(3) The imperialist powers have gained control of all the important trading ports in China by these unequal treaties and have marked off areas in many of these ports as concessions under their direct administration.[19] They have also gained control of China’s customs, foreign trade and communications (sea, land, inland water and air). Thus they have been able to dump their goods in China, turn her into a market for their industrial products, and at the same time subordinate her agriculture to their imperialist needs
would approve of the belt and road debt trap or the actual 99 year lease China used to take over the port of Colombo in Sri Lanka ?
Or is it fine to exploit other countries if the people in your country benefit?
Even then you believe they’re socialist when Deng Xiaoping says (and Xi repeats this “common prosperity” rhetoric) that
“Our policy is to let some people and some regions get rich first, in order to drive and help the backward regions, and it is an obligation for the advanced regions to help the backward regions.”
So you recognize the failure of neoliberal “trickle down” economics but refuse to accept that if the same capital accumulation happens in a “socialist” country its suddenly not a problem?
And you really think that Jack Ma and his family won’t fight tooth and nail to keep their private jets and offshore million dollar houses instead of forgoing them voluntarily for the good of the socialist project? please…
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Given that the CPC is overwhelmingly popular with the people of China in a way our own government could never imagine being here at home, i bet they do.
A handy chart:
Even just hypothetically, can you really trust a survey like this when it comes from a country with mass censorship and no freedom of speech?
Yes, you can, because this is data from western orgs, trying to understand why the PRC works. From a realpolitik perspective, it is in the interests of the west to figure out why the people of China support their government, so that can give them wedges to exploit by identifying cracks. The Ash Center even mentions this directly by stating that if the CPC fails to continue providing dramatic improvements in living standards, support will likely fall.
Further, the PRC isn’t especially egregious when it comes to surveillance when compared with the west, and citizens do have freedom of speech. It’s the speech of celebrities, capitalists, and private media that is controlled, because historically capital has used media to undermine socialist states like the USSR.
Even if its western organizations, if they’re asking current citizens of the country who are residing in that country i would say their responses would still be limited by that country’s freedom of speech.
Also, how exactly do they differentiate regular citizens from those other groups you mentioned? Do they have a strict line between “citizen” and “celebrity”? Because if I was an authoritarian and someone was saying something online that I didn’t want spreading, as soon as they got any traction or platform online (so, the moment that speech starts to actually make a difference) I would label them a “celebrity” and take away their freedom of speech.
Not to mention the speech of regular citizens is absolutely controlled, with social media sites having blacklists on topics and words, for example.
I also doubt that there is any line between “private media” and “private media that is controlled,” and I will always argue that a free press is an absolute necessity for freedom of speech because control over the information citizens receive is a form of control over their thoughts.
On a final note. I wonder if the chart above contained the opinions of any Uyghurs in western China? And would the rest of the country believe so thoroughly that the rights of all were protected if media was allowed to report on what’s happening there?
You have an extremely simplistic and confused understanding of the PRC, and non-western politics in general. I’m not saying this to be mean, I mean this to be an encouragement to not simply buy the western viewpoint whole-cloth without doing your due dilligence.
There isn’t a “celebrity detector.” Put simply, if those with influence mouth off, they are usually punished, be they corrupt party members that are then purged, or wealthy capitalists like Jack Ma that wish to undermine the socialist system. State control of media is one of the demands listed right in the manifesto of the Communist Party as outlined by Marx and Engels, because if the state does not have control, then private capitalists have free reign. Non-state media is not “more free,” just under control of capitalists.
Secondly, nobody is categorically an “authoritarian.” Authority is a tool used by every state, what matters is which class the state is an extension of. In the west, that class is the capitalist class, in the PRC, it’s the proletariat.
Thirdly, the CPC is not “controlling the thoughts” of Chinese citizens. VPNs are widespread, and Chinese citizens are not stupid. They support socialism because it works to dramatically uplift their lives, they’ve lived it.
Fourth, Chinese citizens know what’s going on in Xinjiang. I suspect you don’t, and suggest you read through Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation.
So, exactly as I thought, if someone “has influence” (read: their speech is reaching people) then their speech is limited. That sounds to me like speech is only free if it’s fairly private, and as soon as it has any influence it can be shut down, which is not in any form actually free speech, sorry.
Also, to be clear about something - I am not against socialism. I am not the kind of American who thinks that China bad because they’re communist/socialist. I am, however, a believer in democracy, a defender of free speech, and against the idea of a surveillance state regardless of whether its capitalist or socialist or whatever else.
Do you not see the blindingly obvious conflict of interest of reporting on allegations of genocide and human rights abuses from a media controlled by the state those allegations are levied against? Should I go ask the IDF what’s happening in Gaza next, and just start spreading that around as what’s “really happening?”
I’ll still give it a read because I want to be well informed but I’m not going to put much faith in that article’s ability to be truthful given its source. If you want to convince me, give me independent media.
